2hotVirtuoso Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Hi. I have a small but very annoying problem. Each time I open nexus mod manager, it will change the load order of 2 of my mods. They are Imp's more complex needs.esm and real wildlife IMCN.esm . These need to be loaded near the bottom after skyre mod to work. I always use the default skyrim loader to change their order. But whenever I need to use nexus mod manager to install new mods, and open nexus mod manager, those 2 mods will be reverted back to the top of the list and I must tediously click 60 times to bring them back to the bottom. Is there any way I can stop nexus mod manager from auto changing my load order? Someone if you know how, please answer, much appreciated, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsharaMeradin Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 NMM shouldn't be changing the load order like that. Do you use BOSS? it might be that those particular mods are placed incorrectly by the default BOSS rules. Anyway to save you a little time you can simply drag and drop the plugins from the top of the load order down to the bottom without clicking on the arrow to move it one step at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2hotVirtuoso Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 (edited) Hi. Yes I do use BOSS. Not really as in I don't ever start up or open the BOSS file. I do believe nexus mod manager is the cause of this because the load order mess up only happens whenever I open nexus mod manager. Ok this is my finding. I deleted both wyrm bash and boss. I am able to drag any other mod around the load order but not those 2 mods which I reported always revert themselves back to the top of the list. What exactly is wrong? What is stopping me from dragging those 2 mods around using nexus manager? If someone knows how to stop Imp's more complex needs.esm and real wildlife IMCN.esm from moving around the load list and how to allow nexus mod manager to allow dragging them up and down the load list, please share! thank you Edited October 16, 2012 by red_codec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsharaMeradin Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 oh they are ESM files. they have to be at the top. ESM files are masters and not plugins. i didn't see that the first time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2hotVirtuoso Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 oh they are ESM files. they have to be at the top. ESM files are masters and not plugins. i didn't see that the first time... Well they don't have to be and shouldn't! I place them at near the bottom and they work fine! Could you please tell me how to fix this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkhAscendant Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I don't know if it's outdated or not, but I remember that the pinned "Load order and you" topic said that NMM and other mod managers use the plugins.txt file to know what order your mods are in, and the Skyrim launcher does not, which basically means that when you open NMM or another it will disregard any changes that you've made in the data launcher and rearrange them back to what is in the plugins.txt file. Keep in mind that I only read the first couple pages of that topic and it's pretty old so I'm not sure if it's outdated, like I said, but if that's still true then if you want your changes always saved, don't use the launcher to rearrange. Another thing is that NMM may be configured to automatically put all .esm files at the top, since that's where they belong. All .esms are supposed to be loaded before any .esps, being as the M stands for "Master". I don't know if it's set up that way, but it wouldn't surprise me, especially if you're not able to drag them around. They're up there for a reason; that's how the files are supposed to work. If you want to keep putting them at the bottom you'll have to do it manually (if this is the case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsharaMeradin Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Where does it say that those mods need to be after SkyRE? I've been looking at their documentations and this is all I found so far from SkyRE in the faq file included in the download- Imp's More Complex Needs (be sure to set IMCN - Overrides.esp BEFORE all of the SkyRe stuff.) At any rate ESM files must be loaded first. They are masters any mod manager will automatically move them to the top of the list. The Creation Kit automatically places them at the top of the list. You might be able to manually move them in the data launcher, but I suspect if you turn around and enter the data files list again that they'll be automatically moved to the top. I recommend double checking your documentation just to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgiegril Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Well they don't have to be and shouldn't! I place them at near the bottom and they work fine! Could you please tell me how to fix this? Actually the do have to be and should. When the game loads it loads master files first.This is from the Creation Kit WikiThe card game above is why load order is important. Load order determines the order in which mods lay their cards down on the table. Skyrim goes first, then the next mod in load order, up to the last mod. Whenever two mods conflict, the later loading mod will win. As far as the order is concerned, master files (.esm) always load before plugins (.esp) Then within each groups, files are ordered by modified date. So the following load rules exist: Plugins always trump master files Newer plugins trump older plugins Newer master files trump older master files To change load order, change the modified date of the files. As Ishara said, you may be able to move them to the bottom; however, skyrim will go through your files to load all esms before loading and esps. Moving it is wasting your time, it will still be loaded before any esps. This is the case regardless of whether you use NMM or the Bethesda launcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2hotVirtuoso Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 Hi guys. Thanks for reply, i'd test things out a little see if i can load without changing the .esm order. @IsharaMeradin: it doesn't instruct to put imcn after skyre but if i do not, the food mod doesn't work properly because some perks under skyre messes up the food in imcn, hence i need to load imcn after skyre to overwrite the skyre perks which messes up the imcn food. so is there a way to set up nexus such that it doesn't re-order plugins and mods for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightRangersGuild Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Hi. I have a small but very annoying problem. Each time I open nexus mod manager, it will change the load order of 2 of my mods. They are Imp's more complex needs.esm and real wildlife IMCN.esm . These need to be loaded near the bottom after skyre mod to work. I always use the default skyrim loader to change their order. But whenever I need to use nexus mod manager to install new mods, and open nexus mod manager, those 2 mods will be reverted back to the top of the list and I must tediously click 60 times to bring them back to the bottom. Is there any way I can stop nexus mod manager from auto changing my load order? Someone if you know how, please answer, much appreciated, thank you.The reason this happens is because you are switching back and forth from NNM and the Skyrim launch menu. You can only use one or the other for load order, that happens to me to so I just use the Skyrim launch menu for load order. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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