Mods that affect Heartwood Mill area

[Skinjack]

I'm trying to figure out which mods alter the Heartwood Mill area. I can't get close to it without CTD'ing. I recently tried converting Gifts of the Outsider LE (which has an old house by the mill on Lake Honrich) for my game and was convinced I was doing a poor job converting, but I crash even after its removal whenever I try to go into that area. I can see the abandoned house marker on the map, so I actually think my conversion has been working, its just something else affecting that area. I can't think of anything in my load order that would do it. Any clues? Is there a way to find out without having to do the arduous half-your-mods then half again and again and again until you find the issue...

 

I have quite a few mods (400+), so that is really not very appealing to me right now. My wife has much better uses for my time. Or so she says...

 

Is there anything else I can do like lowering the graphics quality temporarily that might get me into the area?

 

EDIT: I guess Farm Animals & Co affect that area, I've just never had an issue elsewhere in Skyrim with it. Will try disabling that for now to see if it works. Any other guesses?

 

EDIT: Disabled Farm Animals & Co. That's not it. Lowered graphics quality with BethINI. That's not it. Something is being a resource hog in that area.

Edited October 25, 2019 by Skinjack

[HadToRegister]

Without knowing what mods you use, it's pretty difficult to come up with a suggestion

 

Use WryeBash for the mod list.

Right click and pick "List MOds" (IIRC) and it should give you a list with

[Skinjack]

Yeah, problem with any mod list I create is it's going to have a bunch of MERGE_ mods that I made with Zedit and I can't be sure that they won't be the cause of interfering either. Guess I need to build a list of which mods each merge contains first to see if they could be messing with that area. But thank you for the suggestion. I was wondering how to do that in Wrye Bash. I know enough about it to rebuild a patch and that's pretty much it. At least it will give me a proper list I can start identifying possible culprits with. Really wish I had seen this issue when it first started, but I have no idea of when it did. Its hard to check for issues in all of Skyrim/Solstheim before you start a game in earnest. I'll see what I can do about a list after I get the MERGE_ mods broken down.

 

EDIT: Just went into Wrye Bash to try this out, but I don't get a "List Mods" in the pop-up window when I right click. Did they change this recently? I just installed the newest version.

EDIT 2: Never mind. I found it. Need to right click in the right area next time.

Edited October 25, 2019 by Skinjack

[Skinjack]

OK, here is a list of all the crap I'm trying to run/merge before I start a game to get them working with each other. Still a work in progress. Some are personal mods (Grey Eyecandy - just weapons) that I made, others are LE conversions. Still others are MERGE_ mods that I will try to break down as I edit this list (those are capitalized starting with MERGE_) but this will get the ball rolling. And feel free to point out any other screw-ups I might have if there are any glaring errors. I think I've spent more time trying to fix the set-up that I have, moving over to Vortex, etc., than I have playing the game. Someday I actually hope to do that again...

 

EDIT: I updated this list with the MERGE_ mods I'm currently using to get this play-thru tested so I can start a game in earnest. I included the mods underneath each MERGE_ they are included in. Yeah, I know. Cheat... bad. Don't even know why I have some of them... never made it that far in-game to use them. Also, the last two starting with sj_ are just personal mods I made from existing weapons packs by other authors. Was checking to see if I could get it right, plus I didn't really want the whole mod. To date, all of these merges SEEM to be working in game as intended, but I haven't gotten very far into it (only level 2) to test them all completely. And yeah, I noticed a couple are redundant. I never got around to fixing the merge yet. But this didn't take as long as I thought it would, since all the mods were listed in the .json file. Thank you Zedit.

 

Active Mod Files:

00  Skyrim.esm
01  Update.esm
02  Dawnguard.esm
03  Hearthfires.esm
04  Dragonborn.esm
05  Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp  [Version 4.1.9]
06  Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
07  AskTheWay.esl
08  AutoHideAmmo.esl
09  Backshields.esl
0A  DisenchantFontain.esl
0B  KR4FT.esl
0C  Mortal Enemies.esl
0D  RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Sorted.esl
0E  WhiterunHoldForest.esp
0F  ApachiiHair.esm
10  PassiveWeaponEnchantmentRecharging.esl
11  Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl
12  SeraphineHuntedArmor.esl
13  Tougher Skeletons Meaner Draugr SE.esl
14  SoulMasters Arrow Collection.esl
15  FarmhouseChimneys.esp
16  HammetDungeons.esm
17  WRHorseStatue.esl
18  SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
19  Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp  [Version 3.1]
1A  UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
1B  RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp
1C  Cutting Room Floor.esp  [Version 3.1.5]
1D  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
1E  Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
1F  Obsidian Weathers.esp
20  TrueStormsSE.esp
21  DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
22  AnotherSortingMod_2017-SSE.esp
23  Book Covers Skyrim.esp
24  BetterQuestObjectives.esp
25  EmbersHD.esp
26  Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp  [Version 2.1]
27  SkyUI_SE.esp
28  Qw_BookCoversSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
29  Qw_RelightingSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
2A  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
2B  WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp
2C  Qw_ACE_CRF Patch.esp
2D  Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
2E  Skyrim Revamped - Complete Enemy Overhaul.esp
2F  DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
30  MERGE_VISUALS_8_11_19.esp

"Drinking Fountains of Skyrim for SSE.esp",

"Missives.esp",

"Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp",

"FPSBoost.esp",

"JS Barenziah SE - Johnskyrim.esp",

"LuminousAtronachs.esp",

"BluePalaceDomeLight.esp",

"BuyableGoldenClaw.esp",

"Isharas_KeyRing.esp",

"FleshFX.esp

31  MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp
32  Medieval Lanterns of Skyrim.esp
33  EEKs Dragonsreach.esp
34  Falkreath Interiors Redone SE.esp
35  EEKs Whiterun Interiors.esp
36  MERGE_CITIES.esp

ShezrieOldHroldanVer2.esp

Ebonvale.esp

AuroraVillage.esp

VikingShipPlayerHome.esp

drachenhaus village.esp

37  MERGE_CITIES_8_9_19.esp

"Kato's Falkreath.esp",

"ClefJ's Dragon Bridge.esp",

"The Great City of Rorikstead.esp",

"Skaal Village.esp"

38  Ivarstead.esp
39  Solitude Exterior Addon.esp
3A  Solitude Expansion.esp
3B  OBIS SE.esp
3C  Undriel_QuaintRavenRock.esp
3D  MERGE_GRAPHICS_8_9_19.esp

"DigitigradeKhajiit+ArgonianRaptor.esp",

"Morning Fogs SSE.esp",

"Wooden BridgesSE.esp",

"waterplants.esp",

"Beards.esp"

3E  MERGE_ARMOR_PACKS_8_12_19.esp

"lagrie_bdo.esp", (added separately)

"giftsofakatosh.esp",

"Kynreeve Armor.esp",

"Crimson Ranger Armor.esp",

"CrimsonTwilightArmor.esp",

"DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp",

"DragonLordSwords.esp",

"DreamBurrowsRegalHuntsmanArmor.esp",

"K9Armor.esp",

"Mavari Armor.esp",

"Mystic Enchantress.esp",

"R18pn - Shanoa Armors.esp",

"Silverlight Armor.esp",

"Volkihar Knight.esp"

3F  FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
40  Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
41  Windhelm Exterior Altered.esp
42  BirdsOfSkyrim_SSE.esp
43  TGNoToNocturnal.esp
44  AHZmoreHUD.esp  [Version 3.6.3]
45  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 2.00]
46  Potions.esp
47  Common Clothes and Armors.esp  [Version 1.1.0]
48  EliAtrociousRiftenTextureFix_SE.esp
49  RDO-FCO Patch.esp
4A  Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
4B  DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp
4C  Dragon Stalking Fix.esp
4D  FNIS.esp
4E  PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
4F  PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
50  Savage Wolves - Feral Foxesx.esp
51  icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
52  VioLens SE.esp  [Version 2.22]
53  AnimatedEatingRedux.esp
54  Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp
55  FaceSculptorsRacemenu.esp
56  DeadlyCombat.esp
57  ogSplendorDragons.esp
58  BellyachesNewDragonSpecies.esp
59  DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
5A  JBMod.esp
5B  Realistic-Voice.esp
5C  SignatureEquipment.esp
5D  KS Dragon Overhaul 2.esp
5E  Immersive Dragon Sounds.esp
5F  Obsidian_TS_Patch_Luminous_WaterFix.esp
60  getSnowy.esp
61  TorchesCastShadows.esp
62  Visible Favorited Gear.esp
63  WondersofWeather.esp
64  GPSRing.esp
65  Serana.esp
66  Rank and File.esp
67  HouseOfHorrorsAlternateEnding.esp
68  StorageHelpers.esp  [Version 2.4]
69  RaceMenuHH.esp
6A  Footprints.esp
6B  Smoking Torches And Candles.esp
6C  TKDodge.esp
6D  Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp
6E  SimplyKnock.esp
6F  LazyTools.esp
70  ArrowBlock.esp
71  Obsidian_TS_Patch_Luminous.esp
72  Serio's Enhanced Dragons Redone.esp
73  UltimateDragons.esp
74  SEDR KSDO2 UD Compatibility Patch.esp
75  Grey_Eyecandy_DBO.esp
76  RaceMenu.esp
77  XPMSE.esp
78  RaceMenuPlugin.esp
79  MERGE_CHEATS_8_11_19.esp

"Nightingale Faster Cooldown.esp",

"InfiniteShoutsTalosShrine.esp",

"TwoRings.esp",

"UnreadBooksGlow.esp",

"SkeletonKeyPotential.esp"

7A  TakeNotes.esp
7B  BlockStealSE.esp
7C  MannequinStayPut.esp
7D  SimpleAutoSaveManager.esp
7E  Souls_Quick_Menu.esp
7F  QuickLight.esp
80  Keepsakes.esp
81  Animations.esp
82  AI Overhaul.esp
83  NorthernTowns.esp
84  Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp
85  Point The Way.esp  [Version 2.0.5]
86  RBB Long Boats.esp
87  ZIA_Complete Pack.esp
88  Kato's Riverwood.esp
89  HOPv - Horses On Patrol - Vanilla.esp
8A  TKAA.esp
8B  imp_helm_legend.esp
8C  FarmBirds.esp
8D  Inconsequential NPCs.esp
8E  RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
8F  WhiterunMarket.esp
90  Immersive Encounters.esp
91  BirdsAndFlocks_SSE.esp
92  WayshrinesIFT.esp
93  Run For Your Lives.esp  [Version 4.0]
94  Tomebound.esp
95  Darkwater Crossing.esp  [Version 2.0.6]
96  fallentreebridgesSSE.esp
97  S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp
98  Dawnstar.esp  [Version 2.0.5]
99  Medieval Lanterns of Skyrim - Solitude Expansion Patch.esp
9A  RBB Large Boats.esp
9B  SSE logz whiterun.esp
9C  WindstadMine.esp
9D  MERGE_MAP_MARKERS_8_4_19.esp

"DragonPriestMasks.esp",

"Delphine's Map Reveals Dragon Mounds.esp",

"crimsonquestmarkers.esp",

"BarenziahQuestMarkers_Droppable.esp",

"JiubQuestMarkers.esp"

9E  Atlas Legendary.esp
9F  Whistling Mine.esp  [Version 2.0.6]
A0  Soljund's Sinkhole.esp  [Version 2.0.3]
A1  Settlements Expanded SE.esp
A2  se_haste.esp
A3  Mystic Condenser.esp
A4  WayshrinesIFT - Great Forest of Whiterun Hold patch.esp
A5  Immersive Patrols II.esp
A6  Shor's Stone.esp  [Version 2.0.4]
A7  RBB Row Boats.esp
A8  MERGE_ADJUSTMENTS_8_11_19.esp

"RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp",

"mcgFemaleWalk for SkyrimSE.esp",

"moredragonloot.esp",

"MorePainfulNPCDeathSounds.esp",

"Fixed body collision.esp",

"Player Blink Fix.esp",

"Slof's Horses.esp",

"TheCleaner.esp"

A9  WHF-Elysium-Patch.esp
AA  LOGZWINDHELM3DTREES.esp
AB  MERGE_WEAPON_FIXES_8_11_19.esp

"BAAB_English_MaxDamage_v1_2_5.esp",

"Proper Aiming.esp",

"LZImmersiveSilverWeapons.esp",

"Pick Best Arrow.esp",

"Sweeping Weapon.esp"

AC  TAVEMarkarth.esp
AD  S3DSigns.esp
AE  MERGE_WEAPONS_8_6_19.esp

"ktWeaponPackSE.esp",

"aaaGabriel.esp",

"ISD_LongclawCrafting.esp",

"Scalebreaker by Xenosapiens.esp",

"DRagonpriestGreatsword.esp",

"ISD_DragonspearCrafting.esp",

"redeaglesword.esp",

"The Siegebreakers.esp"

AF  HearthFires Display Case Fix SE.esp
B0  MCoW_RelightingSkyrim.esp
B1  VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp
B2  MCoW_Cutting Room Floor.esp
B3  AK- Namira for Good Guys.esp
B4  OpenFaceGuardHelmetsSSE.esp
B5  Bijin AIO.esp
B6  PAN_NPCs.esp
B7  Qw_BijinAIO_AIOverhaul Patch.esp
B8  PAN_NPCs_DG.esp
**  ZIA_WACCF_Patch.esp
B9  DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
BA  CL Ebonyblade2Hand.esp
BB  Provincial Courier Service.esp  [Version 4.0.4]
BC  Kynesgrove.esp  [Version 2.0.6]
BD  Helarchen Creek.esp  [Version 2.0.6]
BE  MERGE_NSUTR_6_19_19.esp

"Helarchen Creek - No Snow Under the Roof.esp",

"Dawnstar_No Snow Under the Roof_Patch.esp",

"No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp",

"RBB Long Boats - NSUtR.esp",

"RBB Row Boats - NSUtR.esp",

"NSUTR_bugfixes.esp",

"NSUTR_groundsnow_mesh_fixes.esp",

"NSUTR_improvements.esp",

"NSUTR_Static_fix.esp"

BF  Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp
C0  Medieval Lanterns of Skyrim - Settlements Expanded Patch.esp
C1  ElysiumEstateSSE.esp
C2  Ars Metallica.esp  [Version 2.0.5]
C3  CWRepairs.esp  [Version 2.5.0]
C4  Convenient Horses.esp
C5  KNM_AcalyphaFollower.esp
C6  whiterunexenhanced.esp
C7  Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp
C8  TAVESolitude.esp
C9  nwsFollowerFramework.esp
CA  Fireball knockback.esp
CB  WHF-CuttingRoomFloor-Patch.esp
CC  HOBFidget.esp
CD  Qw_S3DTrees_CRF Patch.esp
CE  The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
CF  DrunkenDragon.esp
D0  Settlements Expanded SE - Soljunds Sinkhole Patch.esp
D1  MERGE_WEAPONS_8_25_19.esp

"DarkburnedBlade.esp",

"MultiCoreShot.esp",

"Hecatic Graea.esp",

"MaximumDrive.esp",

"RapidSlash SE.esp",

"Tempest SE_.esp",

"Akatosh Battleaxe.esp",

"[K]Dragon_Nodachi.esp"

D2  Settlements Expanded SE - Whistling Mine Patch.esp
D3  Whiteru Market - CRF patch.esp
D4  Sneak Tools.esp
D5  JK's SkyHaven Forge.esp  [Version 1]
D6  PAN_FollowerPack1.esp
D7  MERGE_BLACKSMITH_WATER_PATCHES_8_4_19.esp

"BFWF - Settlements Expanded Patch USSEP.esp",

"BFWF - Kynesgrove Patch USSEP.esp",

"BFWF - Elysium Estate Patch USSEP.esp",

"Forge Water Fix - CRF Patch.esp",

"BFWF - JK's SkyHaven Forge Patch USSEP.esp"

D8  Medieval Lanterns of Skyrim - ARTH Darkwater Crossing Patch.esp
D9  Cutting Room Floor TKAA Patch.esp
DA  EEKs Dragonsreach - Mystic Condenser Patch.esp
DB  Immersive Encounters TKAA Patch.esp
DC  Mystic Condenser - USSEP Patch.esp
DD  Settlements Expanded SE TKAA Patch.esp
DE  Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
DF  Mystical_Continuum_Swords.esp
E0  CombatCross.esp
E1  sneak mod.esp
E2  Lightning.esp
E3  First Person Camera Height Fix.esp
E4  Grey_Eyecandy.esp
E5  Eldritch Magic Weapon Enchantments.esp
E6  The Wizard Warrior.esp
E7  PermaFrost.esp
E8  Inconsequential NPCs TKAA Patch.esp
**  BlendedRoads.esp
E9  A Lot More Idle Marker.esp
EA  Gildergreen Regrown.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
EB  fallenbridgesSSE-Patch.esp
EC  Medieval Lanterns of Skyrim - ARTH Kynesgrove Patch.esp
ED  lagrie_bdo.esp
EE  AK- Boethiah Alternate.esp
EF  My Home Is Your Home.esp
F0  Medieval Lanterns of Skyrim - ARTH Helarchen Creek.esp
F1  Medieval Lanterns of Skyrim - ARTH Soljunds Sinkhole.esp
F2  Medieval Lanterns of Skyrim - ARTH Whistling Mine Patch.esp
F3  FireBurns.esp
F4  JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
F5  StrangeRunes.esp
F6  MERGE_WEAPONS_8_11_19.esp

"InfinityBlade.esp",

"Devastator.esp",

"JetsSword12.esp",

"sj_dreadknightbow.esp",

"sj_weaponrelics_archerbow1.esp"

F7  DJQ_CrossOver.esp
F8  Svartbough.esp
F9  Spellsiphon.esp
FA  StormLightning.esp
FB  ZipItJerks2.esp
FC  Qw_ArsMetallica_SMIM_MergedAll Patch.esp
FD  Qw_BijinAIO_CRF Patch.esp
FE  Qw_PANNPCsDG_AIOverhaul Patch.esp
FF  Qw_PANNPCs_AIOverhaul_CRF Patch.esp
100  Qw_WACCF_OpenFaceGuardHelmetsSE Patch.esp
101  Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
102  RealisticWaterTwo.esp
103  RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
104  RBB - Realistic Water Two.esp
105  WhiterunAddition.esp
106  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
107  Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp

 

 

Edited October 25, 2019 by Skinjack

[Skinjack]

Hmmm. Settlements Expanded? I see in the posts where people are having issues with it. Have to try to figure that one out, because I have a lot of patches for it with other mods as well.

 

EDIT: I tried a few of the other locations for this mod. I'm fine in Whistling Mine and Soljund's Sinkhole. CTD at Sarethi's Farm. CTD at Heartwood Mill. Maybe I'll try disabling it and my patches tomorrow. I have the Blacksmith Water Fix and Settlements Expanded Patch in a merge, so maybe I'll move that out of the merge first and try it that way. Tried to keep all the Blacksmith Water Fix patches in one place. Maybe I won't need to merge them if I have Wrye Bash straightened out to were it is not counting ESL/ESL flagged mods towards my limit anymore. Tomorrow. I'm done for the day, but please feel free to mention any other mistakes I might have that could be causing this.

Edited October 25, 2019 by Skinjack

[HadToRegister]

One thing I'm not seeing is a "Obsidian Weather TrueStorms patch..

From the description page for Obsidian Weather

 

• Compatible with everything except weather mods
• Not compatible with mods that make nights darker unless they're made specifically for Obsidian Weathers (these are fundamentally weather mods)
• Not compatible with storm mods without a patch (these are weather mods)

[Skinjack]

Pretty sure I had that in there, but I'll take a look. Could be one of those mods Wrye Bach patched.

 

EDIT: I've got one named Obsidian Weathers - True Storms Compatibility enabled in Vortex. Is that the correct one? Plugins tab = Obsidian_TS_Patch_Luminous.esp

Edited October 25, 2019 by Skinjack

[HadToRegister]

Pretty sure I had that in there, but I'll take a look. Could be one of those mods Wrye Bach patched.

 

EDIT: I've got one named Obsidian Weathers - True Storms Compatibility enabled in Vortex. Is that the correct one? Plugins tab = Obsidian_TS_Patch_Luminous.esp

 

 

The one on the Obsidian Weather page is called True Storms - Obsidian Weathers - Patch .esp

[Skinjack]

Hmph. Maybe I have an old version? I'm pretty sure it was a fomod installer when I did it. I'll take a look at it. Doesn't seem to have affected my weather any, but who knows? So difficult to get all the patches these days. Someone should make a single patch page with link to all of them. :smile:

 

EDIT: The only one I am seeing is Obsidian Weather-True Storm Merged Compatibility SSE. Is there one I'm not seeing or that goes by a different name?

EDIT 2: OK, found it. Should try reading. Is that one necessary if running the other one?

Edited October 26, 2019 by Skinjack

[HadToRegister]

THe one I mentioned is on the Obsidian Weather page itself.

As far as the patch?

No idea, the "Official" Obsidian Weather patch on the Obsidian Weather page is for Truestorms 1.05, and was uploaded