the mod we all want

[Fnhatic]

Bah

[mikekearn]

18 U.S.C. 2256 – “CHILD PORNOGRAPHY” DEFINED

 

Child pornography is defined as any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where

 

* the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

 

* such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or

 

* such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

 

try again

 

I think you need to read more carefully. This part in specific: "image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor" means that characters of the quality presented in Fallout wouldn't be illegal. Morally wrong, perhaps, but not illegal.

[vash1985]

thats the thing. what they are saying is if the images are seen are realistic enough, meaning its imagery is indistinguishable as anything else but a sexual act conducted between children.

 

sure you put two baby dolls on top of each other and claim it to be a sex act and they might say whatever, your sick, get help, but if you animate two (identifiable) seven year olds and a forty year old having a sex, with raunchy dialog and every thing, you will have a heck of a time trying to argue that "you were just funnin" and i doubt you would win the case

[D3vin]

When it's figured out (wich isnt the case just yet) do not worry good sir, the entire community will hear of it. As soon as people start figuring it out we'll be so happy, we'll get a slaveable, killable, nude, cannibal, rapeable children mod just because everyone's pissed at them XD

 

I would love to see everything in the mod except for children. lol

[Deleted330050User]

Well, then you explain to that someone, as patiently as you can, the difference between children and pixels on a computer screen.

 

lol well said

 

i'm for freedom of expression in videogames, whatever form it might take.

 

;)

[TehDave]

If Bethesda did what I think they did, child is probably a 'race', like Raiders and other humans that don't use the standard human skins/sound sets. If and when an editor is released, it may be as simple as unchecking a flag or removing a passive racial ability if it still uses the same system as in Oblivion for passive racial abilities.

 

But more likely that not I think child invulnerability is most likely hard-coded, and has nothing to do with being an essential character. The essential flag still exists, but I believe it's only used on kids as redundancy.

[jaysus]

you can set any characters age to be younger in the console tho...

thus one could just recreate all the kids as "normal" npcs if theyre hardcoded...

the question remains if theyd get as much trouble as rockstar for hotcoffee for enabeling the people to change it by a cs and if that might be the reason for the delay... pityful society that is...

and these brats in their dark, moist and rotten cave really need to be told a lesson one way or another... kids with guns are dangerous (just read the logs of that scientist or whatever who hears children laughs in the caves and gets mad...spooky!!)

[rburke10]

I think this presents one of the double standards that is applied to video games. You can have a movie where someone is killing children , and we can even have war where children are being killed every day but to depict it in a game is for some reason taboo. This is because video games have not reached a level of maturity in the eyes of the public and are considered childish or for children and hence any act that is not saintlike is considered morally wrong and possibly harmful to children. we have movies where people shoot up drugs then have sex with a hooker then go off and blow someones brains out come home shoot up more drugs mutilate themselves say some sick and disturbing things, and people will still go see it and there is a chance it will win an award. then we say it was gritty.

In the world of fallout kids would be hardcore killers as they would need to be to survive in a place like that. I dont see why there is not little gangs of kids who come and rob you or try to slit your throat while you sleep much like in the real world. im at least happy that they manged to include children in the game which is not something that many developers every do.

I just sucks that video games must undergo so much more criticism for the content than do movies it a is a complete double standard of our freedom of expression. I mean on south park they blow kennys brains out so many times and its pretty gory but im sure as soon as we blow the brains out of some snot nose litte twerp in fallout the feds will roll in on the games creaters and sue them into the stone age for being to true to life.

[TehDave]

the question remains if theyd get as much trouble as rockstar for hotcoffee for enabeling the people to change it by a cs and if that might be the reason for the delay... pityful society that is...

Bethesda isn't responsible for the content of player-made mods. Just like a weapons manufacturer like Beretta or Colt can't be held responsible for the things people do with their weapons.

 

The reason Rockstar got into legal trouble for Hot Coffee was because they were directly responsible for the content. They made the content, then sloppily hid it away in the game's code instead of being responsible and deleting it.

 

The difference between Rockstar and Bethesda is that Rockstar made the Hot Coffee content in-studio, while Bethesda is merely providing the tools that would make a child-killing mod possible.

 

Going back the arms manufacturer analogy, to sue Bethesda for a child-killing mod they didn't make but provided the tools to make would be like suing Colt because someone killed another person with one of the firearms they make.

[jaysus]

to make it quick i checked the models and there are some differences in "destructability" between child and adult... one would need to make "gory" models of the kids first so they could be blasted to bits... or downscale adult models which would look unrealistic tho...