The shaming of non-premium users needs to stop!

[keno360]

 

Classism huh lol.......

 

 

It's alright I understand boys we Megaupload now when this site gets worse( inevitable) I will be looking forward to what utter garbage the defense force will spew out next time.

Not sure where you're coming from friend (the classism part). Care to elaborate on your statement?

 

In action.....

 

 

Perhaps the reason is not that it's been underadvertised, but that people don't think Premium gives enough value for money.

 

And perhaps that's because of the free ride that Free users have taken for granted all these years.

 

classism

[ klas-iz-uh m ]

noun

a biased or discriminatory attitude based on distinctions made between social or economic classes.

[minervamaga]

 

 

 

....

 

 

A) It's good to hear that some of you are trying to reach out and be proactive about your complaints. I completely support those kinds of efforts, whether I agree with the complaint or not. Out of curiosity though, objectively, if you think back on your communications with Stardew Valley's community manager, did you come off as indignant and aggressive as some parts of your posts read? If so, wouldn't that lead most people to react with resistance, or even silence? How does one communicate with someone that is already bristling and doesn't seem to want to hear anything but what they want to hear? It's also good to hear you all have delegated communications to some form of mediator. Good luck with those efforts! I wouldn't mind reading updates on how things work out.

 

B) Because vacation time at any business is scheduled, people make plans, and good companies who want to keep their workforce happy, or keep their workforce period, don't screw that up. In some places, there are laws that protect those sorts of things. I'm not sure if there are any laws in the UK about such things but I wouldn't be surprised if there were. But, it's the holidays - or at least some form of holiday vacation (redundant?) - and I'm sure most of those that are enjoying the time that they have earned are taking a well deserved break from this part of their reality. Would you yourself want to deal with a group of angry consumers over the holidays, or any time of year, over something you may not have had much of a choice in, or take some time to breath, time you have worked for and planned on? I think this thread should answer some of your questions; just try to think of it from the shoes of those implementing this change - especially if you want others to understand where your own two feet are planted.

 

If you're asking me (maybe you're not, but here's my answer anyway seeing how we're discussing these matters) they knew, from experience, that regardless of how they implemented this change, or any change, there were bound to be a slew of complaints from people who don't seem to want to see things any other way than the way they want things to be. Nearing their vacation time, or well before, they probably had one fashion of meeting or another at which leadership said something like: "we can deal with this change when we return, and handle what backlash we know we'll receive as it comes, or, we can push things through before the holidays, take off, let things cool down for a spell while we're gone, let those in the community that can form a coherent complaint hit us with some suggestions, and deal with everything with fresh minds," or something similar... just a guess, and potentially a bad one. Some may say that's cowardly, and maybe there is some point to be made there. But, if you can think outside of your own aggravation for a moment, and realize these folk knew full well there would be backlash, can't you see the wisdom in going about it the way they did? Maybe they'll be more responsive and open to suggestion when they return from a spell of potential relaxation. Maybe the community will calm down, realize what their complaints really are and calmly present them to the staff. Then again, maybe not. In any case, the reality is that in whatever way they decided to deal with this, they were bound to deal with backlash. Damned if you do, damned if you don't kinda thing. Personally, I'd want some time to relax before handling anyone's outrage, in hopes they had enough time to calm their initial emotional outbursts, and form reasonable complaints - else I'd go full orc myself, lol.

 

About the claim that this shows disregard about their user base, I feel that's a big stretch of either ego, imagination, or both. Their user base encompasses how many people, from how many locations? It seems some think they speak for everyone here - or at least jump to the conclusion that they represent the vast majority. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. My point there is, their user base is an extremely diverse group - just the mods here should show you that - and I don't think 30 pages of posts here, and who knows how many elsewhere, from a small fraction of their user base is enough to assume that one person here speaks for the majority. I know there are quite a lot of people who don't seem to care about this flag for membership one way or another. I know I don't. If anything, as I've stated before, it got me to realize how much I've taken this site for granted, and, not without pulling a few teeth (orc teeth too... ouch), I decided it was high time to pay for membership; something I've been thinking about doing for a long time now. I know my opinions are probably fairly unpopular right now among some of you.. maybe the majority. I'll live with that. I'm just sharing what I see and read along with the rest of you and mean no individual here ill will. So, happy gaming, modding, or turd slinging if that's your jam! :laugh:

 

We did have an amicable relationship with our community manager. They started disappearing and obviously people became frustrated. And our community moderator supposedly has contact with them, but again, none of the concerns have been directly addressed with communication back to us. I'd love to provide updates on our suggestions and concerns, but sadly have nothing.

 

Fair enough point about the holidays and vacation time, though perhaps I'm spoiled by other devs/businesses. I also work in healthcare, in which holidays just mean overtime pay XD We can agree to disagree on that one.

 

I did find an interesting tidbit while checking around some documents though, that'd I like to leave here, as food for thought. Any emphasis is my own.

 

From: https://help.nexusmods.com/article/96-download-speed-caps-adblockers-and-different-types-of-membership

 

On the flip side, we do not want to punish users who want to use Adblockers but do not financially contribute to the running of the site. There are myriad different reasons why users choose to use Adblockers, and a lot of them are perfectly valid. For these users, their experience is not changing at all. They'll still be able to browse the site and receive the exact same experience as they always have done in the past.

In conclusion, we like to reward users who contribute financially to the running of the site, but not punish users who use Adblockers.

 

[Skcyte]

I guess their next step is to add a captcha for every download to prove that free users and supporters are human :rolleyes:

Oh my god you just gave them an idea. LOL :laugh:

[GaStuSage]

 

 

Classism huh lol.......

 

 

It's alright I understand boys we Megaupload now when this site gets worse( inevitable) I will be looking forward to what utter garbage the defense force will spew out next time.

Not sure where you're coming from friend (the classism part). Care to elaborate on your statement?

 

In action.....

 

 

Perhaps the reason is not that it's been underadvertised, but that people don't think Premium gives enough value for money.

 

And perhaps that's because of the free ride that Free users have taken for granted all these years.

 

classism

[ klas-iz-uh m ]

noun

a biased or discriminatory attitude based on distinctions made between social or economic classes.

 

Lol... smart-*ss. I suppose I needed to be more clear myself... maybe tomorrow.

[StormWolf01]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You folks need to stop and realize that this is a symbiotic relationship. Neither is going to continue to exist without the other.

Period.

 

 

Agreed. I'm not too sure anyone is saying otherwise though.

Appreciated :smile:

Nah, I don't think that anybody has either. Yet.

I was just trying to drive in the nail, that as much as we don't like freeloaders, leeches, and roaches... that we have to take the bad along with the good. And not to lump them all in together.

Because when it comes down to it, I have not yet once seen anybody say "Hey, it's a good thing that we have so many nonpaying members here on the site, because it helps the site grow."

I haven't seen anybody recognize that fact that the nonpaying members have any kind of merit.

I HAVE seen a lot of judgement and accusations against us tho.

 

Another statement that has a return. How many "freeloaders," as you call them, have lumped those of us who have paid for a membership to a site we enjoy into a group labeled as privileged, or ignorant of poverty, closed-minded or not willing to listen, etc. Evidently, if you read some of those posts, those of us who have paid must all think alike and be the scum of the earth, or at the very least just a bunch of wealthy a**holes that have never had to struggle... need I go on? Two sides of a coin, so let's not go down that rabbit hole.

 

As I've said before, the growth of a business does not always = extra capital, and even if it does it doesn't mean everyone is suddenly a millionaire overnight - or ever. If growth continues too rapidly without ways to pay for said growth - or the ways that pay for said growth are inhibited by an outside force - what do you think happens to that company? Sites, and businesses like this, have come and gone and will continue to so. While they exist, they struggle to grow and sometimes have to engage in behavior that may not make sense to those outside of the inner workings of said business. I've stated before that there is most likely a reason for the Nexus implementing this tacky screen. If you've trusted them in the past, why not now? If you like this business you should want to see it grow, and give good wishes to those on the front lines making it happen.

 

If a Lifetime membership here is too much for certain individuals to pay for then my heart goes out them; that's a level of poverty that I don't wish on anyone, and I assure you I am being sincere when I state that. But, I'm going to take a wild guess that there are many making some pretty extreme complaints about a free service that is still free (I'm beginning to feel like a broken record here) that could afford a membership, but now want more for their money, or simply wont for whatever reason... even when they collect DP... those types of arguments, well worded or not, I simply can't understand.

 

You yourself StormWolf01 have alluded to the fact that you know, and have worked with folks at the Nexus - unless I've misread your posts, or have mixed you up with someone else. Have you, a member that seems to trust these people, tried to reach out to them personally? If you have, have you asked them about what their intentions are, what their targeted goal for membership is? Would it be possible for someone to bargain with them by helping them to achieve an increase in membership, and once reached have them agree to take down that ever so offensive screen? And then, if they agree to it, help encourage more membership for a result everyone would be much happier with: no screen and screams for members, and extra membership for the Nexus... that would be a part of a symbiotic relationship, no? You could accomplish this with an online fund raiser - I've heard that suggested somewhere earlier... In other words, how many of those that seem to have the time to pitch complaints here, have actually been proactive about negotiating with the staff at the Nexus? Although, I believe I've read somewhere earlier in this thread that they are on vacation now - good for them, such is life - Happy Holidays to them.

 

If by chance some of you who read this do get a chance to speak with them, and they agree to negotiate, be professional about it, keep your head level, and check your anger at the door... no one wants to deal with someone frothing at the mouth (that certainly isn't directed at you StormWolf01 or anyone in particular - just friendly advice - trust me, orcs learn that the hard way), else you'll probably botch the whole thing and make matters worse for future negotiations and for all members of the Nexus - no pressure. Also, don't expect everything to go your way; that's why it's called a negotiation - you have to expect give and take. I'm not going to say that the change some of you want is possible, but you'll never know unless you try. Either that or we can all keep going around in circles in this thread.

 

Again - not directed at you personally StormWolf01, but you seem to be vocal about your support for those who are really upset about this change and you seem to be a reasonable human being as well. If you do have a connection with the Nexus that goes beyond the common member, maybe you, or someone you know, would be a perfect candidate to spearhead communications with them directly... just sayin'. If you have, or are willing to, keep everyone up to date on how it goes. I'm sure plenty of folk on both sides of this issue would be interested in hearing how things turn out.

 

 

Ok, there's a lot going on in this thread right now. And there's a lot that I really would like to comment on, and really do want to reply back to. But, I confuse easily, and get sidetracked even more easily, LOL.

But first and foremost, I will reiterate. I'm not a member of the staff here, or employed by Robin, or the Nexus. Just to make that clear. Again.

For clarification.... yes, back in my day, I was a fine, upstanding, well thought of member of the community, *cough* Is it getting thick in here? *cough*

and yes... I'd been privileged enough to have some dealings with some of the staff at the time. That was like....2010 to 2011-ish? I remember us hitting the 3 million membership mark, and all of use cheering about it. But, one guy in a sea of 3 million? I'm pretty sure most of them don't even remember me.

That however, does not mean that I don't remember them, still believe in them, and yes, still respect and appreciate them. And all that they have done for me, us, and the nexus.

 

That said, Thank you, to those who read what I said, and were appreciative of it, and could see the point of view. I do appreciate that. Thanks!

And thank you for the compliments, I do "Try" as the saying goes.

 

I'm not backpeddling when I post this, I wholeheartedly agree, that when I respond to somebody, I don't look to see if they've got a banner, or a tag under their name. Granted, I do look to see how long they've been here. But people are people. Just like a lot of us here, I'll respond to so and so, the way that so and so has been dealing with me, and/or everybody else.

(With restraint in some cases, I just got back, I don't wanna get banned already!) :laugh:

 

I'll say this to everybody. Not to anybody in particular. We are all guests in a house. Robin's house. The only real expectations that are put on us, are to follow the rules of his house, and to be civil to each other, and not pick fights with each other, or the members of the staff.

As some of the Native Americans say when you come into their home "Come in peace, and stay in peace".

 

That said, This cast is making my broken hand achy, and there's probly more people back in the FO4 forums that need help, so off I probly have a lot more typing ahead of me. Off I go.

As they said in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.....

"Be excellent to one another!"

[Mixter213]

I have a quick question about the ad revenue. does the add just need to be loaded for them to get money from it? bc that could easily be hidden via css, and still be loaded coudn't it?

[Deleted78017773User]

Hello, nice people on Nexus!

To provide clarity, user criticism should be taken VERY seriously by the site operators.

EVERY criticism is good, but as long as we don't start insult the operators and the users.

What Nexus did with the new "innovations" to torture the non-premium users to pay money is really going too far. Users are now sorted into First Class (PREMIUM) and Second Class (NON-Premium.

The "Rich" (Premium) live in luxury rooms, while the "poor" (non-premium) have to live in dilapidated, dark rooms.
The Rich get luxury menus served on gold tablets!
They don't have to worry about annoying "announcements", pop-ups appearing, and they don't have to wait - they are called to the "doctor's office" immediately, while we, the Poor people, have to wait, and wait!

Nexus is now like an on-click hosting site - with constantly appearing advertisements, constant reminders of premium stuff and the waiting time.

I am afraid, next "NEW" stuff will be this (like on 1-click-hosting sites): "You have reached your download limit! Please wait 120 minutes...OR get PREMIUM!"

[Irespawnoften]

Yeah this'll end well

[Alkohol]

Adding a redirect to downloads is an absolutely disgusting decision on Nexus's part.

[fireundubh]

Not to mention it was an unannounced change, after a lot of talk and hype over the new UI a few months back. That had a opt-in beta and plenty of info spread around about it before implementation, so why not this change? [...] At the very least, a warning in the form of an announcement would have allayed some of the shock and outrage, though probably not the protests about the system itself.

This is from the Nexus Terms of Service:

 

We reserve the right to change this document, as well as our various policies and guidelines, at any time. By continuing to use the service, you automatically agree to any revisions of these terms. [...] Nexus Mods reserves the right to reconfigure its offerings and organisation and may choose to do so at any time. This includes but is not limited to our services, website designs, membership pricing and offerings, advertising programs and partnerships, as well as staff related and/or administrative restructuring.

 

But it is obvious that a lot of people are angry about it, and anger is usually a very good motivator.

 

Userscript to bypass NexusMods download redirect

Using that script is a violation of the Nexus TOS:

 

You will use Nexus Mods services reasonably and as intended. You may not display, duplicate, dismantle, reverse engineer, circumvent, or repurpose any property or service owned or operated by Nexus Mods without consent. You will not intentionally harm, disparage, or in any way disrupt the operation of Nexus Mods websites, systems, property, or staff.

I've been in contact with a member of the Nexus staff. They are aware of the script, as well as that it breaks certain elements of the site, and they have confirmed that using that script is a TOS violation. The consequences for using that script have not been disclosed to me, but if you are using that script, you should be aware that you are crossing a line.