[REQ]New Weapon/SMG

[general_failure]

So I was shooting at super mutants with an assault rifle, and after unloading a mag and a half into them I realized there isn't an SMG with stopping power, well just happened that I was watching an episode of future weapons on the side and they were talking about the Kriss, what an AMAZING piece of tech this gun is, and I honestly think someone should put it in fallout as I think everyone would enjoy the heck out of it, I know I'd be the first to drool at it's stopping power and A+ accuracy at distance. But of course some of you are wondering what is the Kriss? Well click this

to watch it, it's seriously a work of art in it's design and functionality.

 

Anyone disagree that with super mutants running around this gun isn't a must have in fallout?

[vashts1985]

dont have the animations for it.

[general_failure]

Well of course, it wouldn't be able to be made just yet, but in the future I think this gun is a must have for any vault dweller.

[Moraelin]

Well, I guess new animations are out of the question, but IMHO there should be some SMGs that are doable with the 10mm SMG animation. E.g., a .45 Grease Gun should hit pretty hard, and the clip should be in the same general area of the gun as for the in-game SMG.

 

Of course, I couldn't edit 3D meshes if my life depended on it, so we will have to wait until someone more talented makes one :P

[vashts1985]

M3A1

 

not only is it doable, but its gonna happen ;)

[general_failure]

I'm at a total loss for words about the M3A1... I mean, sure it fired .45, but the M1A1 was in my opinion a better weapon just for the fact it belted out waaay more lead than the M3A1, however NEITHER of them had crap for accuracy in full auto, you might as well be shooting at the broad side of a barn if you expect to hit anything with either of them. Good for 10ft fights cause any farther away and you missed horribly, and since there isn't a switch mode for weapons to go into S/TRB/FA I see those as a bad choice, other than the fact they fit the commie invasion of fallout 3, but when you look at the weapons like the pistol and the laser and plasma, I see the Kriss as a better choice for the game since it IS set in the future. Just my opinion as the game has some very antiquated weapons, with the "Desert Dragon" mod which I FREAKING LOVE, just for the fact it actually makes me feel like I'm putting a mutant in their place, ala the dirt with no head, but with the Kriss I could do the same thing but not even shooting at the head and at a distance. Never let the enemy get the drop on you is how I play to the best the engine will allow, which is mind numbingly impossible at times.

[BulletSix]

personally i´d second the wish for a KRISS ;) :D

or what about a HK MP7 ? (rechambered for the 5mm bullets of the Minigun perhaps?)

 

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hey, one can dream ;)

[vashts1985]

yeah but the M3A1 was a fo2 weapon, and im sorta focusing on bringing original fallout weapons back to fallout 3 atm

thats why im saying the M3A1

 

that and quite frankly im not too keen on the kriss :glare:

[Omnimmotus]

Do want. Crowd of Feral Ghouls? Say hello to my Kriss. Only one shot needed per target probably. Not that that would stop me from setting it to burst fire.

 

And then, when the raiders get hold of it? Time for some tough firefights. :smile:

[Wreckless1]

My Dad just ordered one of the semiauto KRISS SBR Carbines.. one more thing for him to have on a Form 4 I guess.. once they actually fill the orders lol.

Anyway, the KRISS is a very cool concept, but I question their use of a .45 as well as their use of Glock magazines.

I mean, .45 ACP is a great cartridge and all but what's the point of a low-recoil shoulder weapon that prides controllability in rapid fire and full auto when it typically comes with a 13 round magazine? Yes, Scherer makes a 29-ish round .45 ACP Glock magazine.. but still. Whenever it gets here I'll be sure to get some video of its debut range trip and let you all know what I think.

 

Also, Muties wouldn't need a KRISS, honestly - the whole point of a low-recoil system is so that you don't need to be a Super Mutant to tame the damn thing. With their immense strength, Muties ought to be able to fire Assault rifles one-handed on full auto without even thinking about it, really. FO3's animation that shows their arms moving so much just makes me laugh.

 

If one were to assume that the 10mm already found in Fallout is the same as 10mm Auto - the .45 ACP is actually a bit *less* powerful - in reality at least. I always told myself that the 10mm in Fallout was some fictional wimp cartridge that was somewhere between 9x19 and .40 S&W in performance so I didn't go crazy from how little damage they did.

 

 

As for the Grease Gun vs Thompson debate, Having fired a lot of Thompsons and a few M3 Grease Guns, I'd take the Thompson over a Greaser any day of the week, either M1928 'LA Confidential' configuration or milspec M1A1 configuration.

M3's are easier to control, and Thompsons aren't the walk-in-the-park pussycat on full auto that an MP5SD or fullsize M16 is - but a M1928 configuration with a full C-drum comes damn close because of how heavy it is.

The M3A1 cycles remarkably slow for a full auto (which always made me curious why it cost so few AP to shoot in Fallout 2) and I hate the bolt design - instead of an actual charging handle on the bolt, there's a hole that you have to stick your thumb or finger into and while it works, I personally dislike it.

Beyond that I can't speak ill of the M3 - its so elegant in its simplicity and so brutally reliable that I could easily see it thriving well in post-apocalyptia. The M3A1 is the old school air-cooled Volkswagen to the H&K MP5's new Mercedes SLK. Field repairs or parts replacement with an M3A1 is utterly simple process, just like the UZI. The Thompson is much harder to repair in the field than an UZI or M3A1 in many cases, but so little goes wrong with the M1A1 Thompsons that I'd still prefer it over the M3A1. Now Thompson versus an UZI with one of those aftermarket conversions to 10mm Auto using modded grease gun mags holding 36 rounds and a Dr Optic topcover... now that might be a different story lol.

 

General_Failure - I can't overstate how utterly wrong you are about the accuracy of a Thompson or M3A1 in the hands of an experienced soldier. Certainly they are not precision rifles, but I've rolled far too many 1 gallon paint buckets with an M1A1 Thompson @ 100 yards (and I mean *roll* as in hitting it or the ground near it closely enough to keep the bucket rolling for a whole magazine at a time) to consider them or an M3A1 an inaccurate weapon. Squeezing off a single shot with an M3A1 is easily done with how slow it cycles and headshots would be *ZERO* problem at 50 yards for a competent marksman.

 

As with far too many weapons and anything full auto in general, the competency of the shooter is 95%+ of the equation. Certainly there are some weapons and sighting systems that make it easier than others. But in all the years and tens of thousands of rounds of my shooting experience, there's been exactly two guns I've fired in my life that truly didn't shoot for poo

The first - my first Mosin-Nagant M1938 Carbine, since the armorer that converted it from an M1891 must have had too much vodka and actually installed the front sight lop-sided (but its still deadly as hell to 100 yards or so, just not 300-500+ like so many other surplus bolt guns)

The second - A 6.5mm Carcano, because its a @*#ing Carcano and those rifles are utter junk. I've seen 1945 production Arisakas that were better made, and *THAT* is saying something.

 

Vash - the Thompson was also in Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics, so it has just as much of a place in Fallout Canon as the M3A1. ;)