Colonel Autumn?!

[UnholyShadow]

i want his trench coat....

The first time I saw him I wanted it as well. If he falls close to the glass barrier, go into 1st person mode and put the cursor on him. Hold the button that changes your perspective and rotate it until you see "Search Colonel Autumn" pop up. Voila.

[OniB]

i love it how many people support the enclaves facist views, makes me really worry about society as a whole when people are getting behind and justifying their twisted ambitions. damn aspirational facist enclave fanboys,

do you even think there would be a place for you in their new world...? i think not

 

and people stop trying to make excuses for bethesda's failure to release a complete and logical game, it just encourages them to release even more incomplete works because "fans will make it make sense"

[Tagaziel]

i love it how many people support the enclaves facist views, makes me really worry about society as a whole when people are getting behind and justifying their twisted ambitions. damn aspirational facist enclave fanboys,

do you even think there would be a place for you in their new world...? i think not

 

and people stop trying to make excuses for bethesda's failure to release a complete and logical game, it just encourages them to release even more incomplete works because "fans will make it make sense"

 

Here's a hint: In a post-nuclear world the society is kind of, you know. Lawless. And destroyed. Doesn't resemble our tolerant, modern one.

 

The Enclave, while fascist, is the best chance at rebuilding the wasteland. Given the choice between a fascist government now and no government at all for years, I'd choose the former. In a post-nuclear scenario, of course.

[noobax]

The Enclave, while fascist, is the best chance at rebuilding the wasteland. Given the choice between a fascist government now and no government at all for years, I'd choose the former. In a post-nuclear scenario, of course.

 

That is not true. ANYONE who controls the water purifier and uses it for everyone is the best chance of reviving the wasteland.And I completely disagree with the choice of having a government. Would you like a corrupted government who could kill you anytime because you refuse to pay erm... well.....lets say supplies to rebuild the wasteland or would you prefer keeping them to yourselves and being able to go anywhere without harm?

 

And... do you notice the post has changed from autumn surviving high rads to autumn's coat to enclave is good or bad?

[evilbeefjerky]

The Enclave, while fascist, is the best chance at rebuilding the wasteland. Given the choice between a fascist government now and no government at all for years, I'd choose the former. In a post-nuclear scenario, of course.

 

That is not true. ANYONE who controls the water purifier and uses it for everyone is the best chance of reviving the wasteland.And I completely disagree with the choice of having a government. Would you like a corrupted government who could kill you anytime because you refuse to pay erm... well.....lets say supplies to rebuild the wasteland or would you prefer keeping them to yourselves and being able to go anywhere without harm?

 

And... do you notice the post has changed from autumn surviving high rads to autumn's coat to enclave is good or bad?

 

As opposed to the Brotherhood who shoot ghouls on sight for no reason and refused to protect the Purifier until *somebody else wanted it*?

Yeah, a lot better.

 

I don't get the whole "control the purifier, control the capital" anyway. The purifier works all at once or not at all. That is - it cleanses the entire basin all at once.

Therefore whoever controls the thing can only hold the wasteland to ransom for as long as they *don't* use it. Once they do, what are they going to do? Put up a fence around every lake, river and sink in the wasteland with a sign saying "kindly do not steal this clean water"?

[grumbler]

The Enclave, while fascist, is the best chance at rebuilding the wasteland. Given the choice between a fascist government now and no government at all for years, I'd choose the former. In a post-nuclear scenario, of course.

The fallacy of the false choice. The real choice is between a fascist government with a better chance of establishing a government earlier, or an NCR-type government whose chances are not so good as early.

 

That choice would be easy for me to make. The nuclear damage has already occurred. The damage a fascist regime would inflict would go on longer, IMO, than the damage anarchy would inflict. The seeds of order have already started to be established in the DC wasteland. Pockets of civilization have started to spring up, and they are in communication with one another.

 

There is no guarantee that a stable non-fascist government will come of this, but there is no guarantee that the Enclave would succeed, either.

 

Colonel Autumn turning against Eden doesn't make him good or even gray, and the argument that anything opposing the "good guy" argument is simply "bad writing" is totally unpersuasive. We have the evidence that we have. A wonder-drug that works instantly against radiation is perfectly logical in the world of SCIENCE!

[grumbler]

It feels as if for three years the game's been developed as a prequel set in 2097, with some idiot randomly stepping in during the fourth year and demanding that the date be set to 2277 so that all those kewl factiunz from Fallout 1 and 2 could be used.

Agree 100%. It is the only explanation that makes sense. Remember the working computer terminal outside the Germantown police station? Not even the laziest designer would believe that it could still be working after exposure to the elements for 200 years (let alone that power to it would have lasted that long)!

[evilbeefjerky]

The fact remains we can't fully gauge Autumn's character because he is written so badly. He forgets what he's already done and repeatedly does thing in a manner where he'll be sure to lose. I can't even say he's a mustache twirling villian, because his motivations and methods keep changing every time we see him.

[grumbler]

The fact remains we can't fully gauge Autumn's character because he is written so badly. He forgets what he's already done and repeatedly does thing in a manner where he'll be sure to lose. I can't even say he's a mustache twirling villian, because his motivations and methods keep changing every time we see him.

Disagree. His motives and methods seem to be pretty consistent to me. Your inability to understand them may be a sign of weak writing, or maybe weak reading. I think you are reading into his actions things that are not there, nor even implied. His rebellion against Eden may not be at all altruistic - he may want to spare the mutants and ghouls and "damaged humans" because they represent potential slave labor that he wants to see killed off discriminately, rather than en masse. His actions seem perfectly consistent with a military man who thinks solutions come from the barrel of a gun, and everyone outside the Enclave is just a tool to be discarded when of no further use to him (see what happens top the PC if the PC gives him the code).

[evilbeefjerky]

The fact remains we can't fully gauge Autumn's character because he is written so badly. He forgets what he's already done and repeatedly does thing in a manner where he'll be sure to lose. I can't even say he's a mustache twirling villian, because his motivations and methods keep changing every time we see him.

Disagree. His motives and methods seem to be pretty consistent to me. Your inability to understand them may be a sign of weak writing, or maybe weak reading. I think you are reading into his actions things that are not there, nor even implied. His rebellion against Eden may not be at all altruistic - he may want to spare the mutants and ghouls and "damaged humans" because they represent potential slave labor that he wants to see killed off discriminately, rather than en masse. His actions seem perfectly consistent with a military man who thinks solutions come from the barrel of a gun, and everyone outside the Enclave is just a tool to be discarded when of no further use to him (see what happens top the PC if the PC gives him the code).

 

You miss the fact that Autumn FORGETS he's rebelled against Eden at the purifier.

Now either the radiation addled his brain or it's bad writing.

Furthermore, he suffers from selective mercy. He'll kill you for cooperating but spares Anna Holt? Why? surely the son/daughter of THE GUY WHO CREATED the damn thing would be more of use than some throaway scientists picked up at Rivet City.

Moreover shooting you is against his best interests, he has NO reason for shooting you, NO reason for even being against you. Even if he's an evil SOB with an agenda, *he does it really badly*

I mean, he could *try* to convince a moral character to see things the Enclave's way with a "greater good" speech or try not to do his damn best to drive an evil character right into the arms of President Eden. But that's the thing, at no point do I get the sense that Autumn is thinking at all, he's a cardboard cutout character going through the motions regardless of the harm he's doing to himself.