Freeze crashing in exterior cells with no obvious fatal conflicts in mod list or load order.

[Hallier]

Here's my load order and mod list: https://modwat.ch/u/HockSockem/plugins

 

I'd been having issues with interior cells freeze crashing before I installed ENBoost, made a Wrye Bash patch, and installed Weaponsmith Extended to resolve any missing masters. After all of these steps my game runs like a racehorse slightly past his prime, but I just experienced my first freeze crash after around 3 or 4 hours of gameplay without a single issue. I'm not sure if this is a fluke or not, but freeze crashes tend to be caused by the game being broken by mods rather than the game engine itself. To be fair, I was in Downtown Boston during the crash, and that area sucks in regard to optimization and such. My CPU isn't having any issues loading the area, and I get a steady 40-50 frames (which is good enough for me, I'm already shopping for a new GPU, so no suggestions please).

 

Anyhoo, help would be greatly appreciated, as I can't find the motivation to sort through all 250+ of my assorted mods in xEdit for conflicts and then resolve them. Wrye Bash already states that my load order is pretty alright with no red and just overwritten esps to show; I've custom sorted after LOOT did its thing to make sure whatever I needed in a certain place was in that place and xEdit starts and loads my load order perfectly. If anymore information is needed, I'll be happy to provide it. Besides my credit and checking numbers...

 

Thanks a ton!

[Hallier]

Update: It seems to occur in combat, I just experienced another one near Goodneighbor.

[JimmyRJump]

I used to get crashes and freezes with mods that give 'better' explosion flames/light. And no GPU in existence will change the optimisation, of lack thereof, of the game.

[Hallier]

I've never had this issue before with ELFX, but that's really the only extensive lighting mod I have that changes anything beyond what things like Vivid Weather do. I have a molotov radius mod, but the freezes haven't ever occurred around those, and I've seen a lot in this save.

[JimmyRJump]

I'm also using ELFX and never had issues with it. But you have several mods that tinker with explosions and fire, like the Molotov ones and More Powerfull Core Explosions mod. Remember that most effects are shared amongst different items. I fear it'll be down to the good ol' trial and error. Deactivate one mod at a time and boot-up the game to see the result.

 

Also, I've used Wrye Bash several years ago on both Skyrim and FO4 but after a while I could no longer use a bashed patch on either. The game refused to start with a bashed patch and crashed before reaching the main menu.

[Hallier]

Curious. I'll attempt disabling those things. I'd never heard that about that issue with bashed patches. So far it's improved compatibility drastically, so I guess I'll look into that in time.

[Hallier]

I'm currently wondering if the crashes are due to a weapon mod, but I only just installed weaponsmith, and I had the same issue beforehand. I've never crashed during an explosion or anything like it. Always in combat, but not in a shootout always. The problem has also reverted to being interior as well, so I'm beginning to suspect that it is indeed to do with a combat related mod. Maybe an AI related issue? I have Pack Attack on, which affects enemy AI to make it more cooperative.

 

Edit: I've just looked at Pack Attack bugs and it seems another person is encountering freezing like my issue, but only when near human NPCs. I crash whenever combat is in progress, even with synths like in Fort Hagen and super mutants (although I've only crashed with super mutants after killing a bunch of humans)

Edited April 15, 2020 by Hallier

[JimmyRJump]

Enhanced blood decals can also have an averse effect and make th game go belly up.

[Hallier]

Alright. I've attempted everything short of disabling all my conflicting mods up to now with the same issue. Upon trying to start the game so I can slowly begin enabling them in a devmode save (using coc qasmoke to generate a save) the game just ctds within seconds of loading.

 

I guess I'll just test my reorganized load order first...

 

Any help with how to get the game to start would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

And I'll test out turning off blood stuff after testing the new LO.