Fallout 4 Horizon 1.8 Crashing in Boston

[Brotherofcats]

Wererommel: You hit the problem right on the head. I made a merged patch, but it didn't look like it had enough information in it. Next I disabled all the settlement ESLs (I think there were about a dozen of them). That was too much, and the save games wouldn't load. So I took out TenPines.ESL only, the game started up, and everything worked. I traveled, both normal and fast, went through many loading screens, quit the game and reloaded. And everything is working just fine so far so five hours of play. I thought I had taken out Ten Pines already, since its expansion was already covered in Horizon. Didn't have a problem with the expansion ESLs last year, but Horizon 1.7.6 didn't have all these expansions in it. The funny thing, when you mentioned ESP, the Settlements Expanded mod has that option, but I didn't want to use them because I was trying to save spaces in my load order. I tried the ESPs, and attempted to flag them as ESLs in F4Edit, but it wouldn't let me. Anyway, got to Greygarden and the Water Treatment Plant with no problems. Next I head to Oberland and then into the City to see if that problem was cleared up. I believe I got rid of the mod that was causing crashes in Boston, I think Awarhero's Great Green Jewel, but I'll find out tomorrow. Thanks for the good advice.

[Brotherofcats]

Wererommel: You hit the problem right on the head. I made a merged patch, but it didn't look like it had enough information in it. Next I disabled all the settlement ESLs (I think there were about a dozen of them). That was too much, and the save games wouldn't load. So I took out TenPines.ESL only, the game started up, and everything worked. I traveled, both normal and fast, went through many loading screens, quit the game and reloaded. And everything is working just fine so far so five hours of play. I thought I had taken out Ten Pines already, since its expansion was already covered in Horizon. Didn't have a problem with the expansion ESLs last year, but Horizon 1.7.6 didn't have all these expansions in it. The funny thing, when you mentioned ESP, the Settlements Expanded mod has that option, but I didn't want to use them because I was trying to save spaces in my load order. I tried the ESPs, and attempted to flag them as ESLs in F4Edit, but it wouldn't let me. Anyway, got to Greygarden and the Water Treatment Plant with no problems. Next I head to Oberland and then into the City to see if that problem was cleared up. I believe I got rid of the mod that was causing crashes in Boston, I think Awarhero's Great Green Jewel, but I'll find out tomorrow. Thanks for the good advice.

[Brotherofcats]

Wererommel: You hit the problem right on the head. I made a merged patch, but it didn't look like it had enough information in it. Next I disabled all the settlement ESLs (I think there were about a dozen of them). That was too much, and the save games wouldn't load. So I took out TenPines.ESL only, the game started up, and everything worked. I traveled, both normal and fast, went through many loading screens, quit the game and reloaded. And everything is working just fine so far so five hours of play. I thought I had taken out Ten Pines already, since its expansion was already covered in Horizon. Didn't have a problem with the expansion ESLs last year, but Horizon 1.7.6 didn't have all these expansions in it. The funny thing, when you mentioned ESP, the Settlements Expanded mod has that option, but I didn't want to use them because I was trying to save spaces in my load order. I tried the ESPs, and attempted to flag them as ESLs in F4Edit, but it wouldn't let me. Anyway, got to Greygarden and the Water Treatment Plant with no problems. Next I head to Oberland and then into the City to see if that problem was cleared up. I believe I got rid of the mod that was causing crashes in Boston, I think Awarhero's Great Green Jewel, but I'll find out tomorrow. Thanks for the good advice.

 

JimmyRJump: I tried Vortex a couple of years ago, when it first came out, and had nothing but problems with it. I love MO2, and right now wouldn't use anything else. I used NMM back in the day (hell, I used to mod Morrowind without a mod manager when it first came out and had to reinstall everything whenever something didn't work). NMM was Okay, but I love the virtual folder process in MO2. The crashes I was getting in Boston were happening every single time I went near the Library or the Commons, so it wasn't occasional. It was game breaking. I'll keep in mind the spoiler tags, though as a pro writer and a student of language, I really can't see how a load order is a spoiler, since the word basically means to spoil the surprise of the unfolding story for someone seeing it the first time. How does a load order do that?

[Brotherofcats]

Now, how do I delete some of those responses above. I hit post, nothing happened, so I thought it hadn't gone through. So of course I posted again, and found that it had been posted and saves three times. Sorry.

[JimmyRJump]

Spoiler tags make a text collapse so it doesn't take more than one alinea of space. You need to click the "Spoiler" in order to see the text. Besides hiding spoilers, the tags hide anything added that's deemed too large for comfort. I never download anything linked by anybody.

[Brotherofcats]

Cool. Thanks for the explanation. Now, is there something on here that would show me how to do it? And any idea on how I get rid of the redundant posts above?

[Wererommel]

Vortex has been through a number of revisions and now works OK on my computer, except that it remains very difficult to change the load order. If what you have is working, you should stick with that.

[Brotherofcats]

Okay, played for about six hours today, and everything ran great. Rebuilt that damned eyesore at Abernathy Farms, took The Weston Water Plant, got the quest from Oberland Station to go to Backstreet Apparal and took Hangman's Alley on the way. Then, when about a block from Backstreet the game crashed. At the same spot every damned time. I disabled some of the settlement ESLs, and discovered I could if I did them one at a time then booted up the game and saved. I even tried disabling other mods. A few crashed the game when they were disabled. But nothing let me get past that crash point. So, I guess I need to figure out how to make a patch so I can get into Boston. I can probably play thirty or forty hours without going into Boston, but if I can't get in there the game is broken. I tried a Mergepatch earlier today, but the information in it just seemed too sparse, and I couldn't figure out what to do when the entries were red. At least now that I'm outside the crash point I can test the merge patch when I make it again. Put my load order in the Spoiler tag, so if anyone can look at it, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

 

 

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[Brotherofcats]

Used Fallrim Tools today and found two instances of unattached scripts. Cleaned them out and the game seemed to load much faster between cells, like coming out of Diamond City. It still crashed within a couple of blocks of Backstreet Apparel, which I tried to come at from another direction. Everything to the North of Diamond City crashes. Been looking all over the internet for a solution. Removed Better Locational Damage, because I remembered how it kept crashing my game in the past, and though this is a different kind of crash, thought I would try it. Removed most of the BLD plugins (missed some) and it still crashed on the approach to Backlstreet. Looked it over again, removed the two BLD patches I missed, ran Fallrim Tools again and removed two more unattached instances, rebuilt my Bashed Patch, and still it crashed. I'm about to give up. Life right now is very stressful, and I wanted to play this game to get away, but it's pulling me back into the real world with all these crashes and trying to find the solution. And I'm getting tired of starting a new game and doing all the crap over again to get to where I am.

[Wererommel]

I wish I could help you more, but I'm out of answers. Game crashes can have a lot of different causes. Sometimes, they seem to come and go for no apparent reason. Maybe an NPC has moved himself into an illegal position, or there's an unresolved quest waiting for some event that hasn't happened . . . all I have is speculation. The best I can say is to play somewhere else for awhile and try again later.

 

I have to say I looked through your mod list, which is very impressive, and pinched a few things for my own set-up. I'll let you know if they give me any trouble.

Edited April 24, 2020 by Wererommel