Women

[ZeroKing]

Alithinos-

Hmm... If you stop making the first move,perhaps women will start to approach you and do the first move! :P

Have happened to me. In the past I made "strikes" as you called them,but probably to the wrong persons,and I got rejected. At a point I got bored of getting rejected so I stopped doing that.

Then women started striking to me! The thing is that its hard to predict when a woman likes you or not. And many of them are shy and won't do that first move as I said,only some of them do.

So growing up I learnt many things. Things like that some girls from my high school class liked me enough for a relationship,but I never knew,'cause they never gave me any sign. At the same time I was wasting my time to seem cool and nice for someone else who didn't deserved all that attention anyway.

 

If only people where more open to freely share their feelings.

 

THIS ^^ Seriously sometimes you have to stop trying, when I was younger I got 2 yes's and three no's for dates. Got me a little discouraged so I stopped trying, and was really suprised to hear some of my friends telling me about girls who were into me but wouldn't say anything.

 

I guess the thing is to let them come to you, I don't know haha :thumbsup:

 

I must enjoying being in pain, clearly, because at the end of the day I somehow think my wench looks cute when she's angry, even though she scares me half to death :tongue: :tongue:

 

But at the end, it's all good, the witch loves me and I love her, as Lisnpuppy stated: "If someone makes you smile everyday then you can forgive a multitude of sins." :thumbsup:

[Werne]

If you stop making the first move,perhaps women will start to approach you and do the first move!

That's true, if you're tired of being rejected, just wait and something will come up. I got tired of rejections after a while so I tried that, it worked surprisingly well. Like fishing, lower the bait and wait till something bites. http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/thumbsup.gif

 

By the way, a few things I learned while hitting on women.

 

You know how people say that "chicks dig scars"? I can confirm that's bulls***. Then there's "women like strong men" which is only partially correct. Be macho = be slapped so don't try that, especially if she's drinking hot coffee.

 

The best way to do it is just being yourself and take it as any other conversation. If she likes you, you'll know. If not, maybe her friend will. Girls talk, you know, it may not be as good when you have to listen to them but it sure is good when you want to find that special someone, they spread info faster than the internet. http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/yes.gif

 

You need to learn that everything is your fault and always will be

When I think about it, it usually is my fault. http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/laugh.gif

 

I also set up conversations that end up...well in a way that my husband can't win.

That's something that frustrates me, I never seem to win any arguments and I feel like crap cause I lost. But if I by any chance win, she pouts and then I feel like crap again. I lose no matter what, it drives me insane. http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/wallbash.gif

 

You can't change folks. It is dumb to try and will cause you only heartache.

That's true, half the women I dated were trying to change me and all they achieved is for me to hate them. Women can either accept me the way I am or leave, there are no other options.

 

By the way...

open the door, toss a candy bar on my desk and run

I do that only when she has PMS, just toss it in and run for my life. Then I pray to god I chose the right candy. http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/ohdear.png

 

I must enjoying being in pain, clearly, because at the end of the day I somehow think my wench looks cute when she's angry, even though she scares me half to death

We all do, otherwise we'd all be forever alone. http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/wink.gif And while women do look cute when angry, don't ever say that out loud or you will find out the true meaning of fear.

[bben46]

That's something that frustrates me, I never seem to win any arguments and I feel like crap cause I lost. But if I by any chance win, she pouts and then I feel like crap again. I lose no matter what, it drives me insane. http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/wallbash.gif

 

When you argue with a woman, if you win, you lose. If you lose, you MAY win. Try to lose gracefully. :tongue:

 

[Jitansgate]

This is why I will never have a meaningful relationship with a woman (or man, heh). I couldn't handle it. I'm by nature a very utilitarian, "who gives a #@%#$," type of person with strong mental resilience. I have emerged from years of depression a very neurotic, very misanthropic, but very sharp and grounded person. I WILL NEVER BREAK. I know who I am, and I couldn't care less what other people think I am. People who look for validation in others are ridiculously unattractive to me, no matter how physically beautiful they may or may not be. I don't even care if what I am is technically "good" or not. I'm fine with it.

 

In other words, I don't get worked up about what other people think. Bravery? Pah, for idiots. Chivalry? The chivalrous will lose to the functional. Honor? It is only as meaningful as society decides it is. I have loose morals regarding gray things (like sex, lies, and revenge, but not murder), and I strongly dislike people asking me lots of petty questions or clinging to me all the time. Traditional gender roles can stfu. I think feminists with short hair are hotter than any model. If I were to have a girlfriend, they would need to be interested in philosophical debate more than make-up and shopping. I value reliability more than flowery words, honesty more than pillow-talk. I care about intellect, not appearances, and from what I've seen of the world so far, that would devastate most women.

 

Unless someone like Morrigan (Dragon Age; Origins)(cold, logical, doesn't deal in human-constructed mores) actually exists, I will be single until the day I die. :sleep:

 

And I am perfectly fine with that.

 

I've only been in 1 Relationship with a Girl and it was in Middle School and it was only 1 week then I found out that I had to Move and it Sucked because I didn't have a say in the Matter. I'm now 23 Years old been Rejected by 20 Girls and so I've decided to Give Up on Women. I Don't Hate Women, maybe they have their Reasons.

 

But Seriously 20 Strikes in a Row is Terrible Luck. Sometimes I wish us Humans had the Fallout or Elder Scrolls Stats and Skills maybe Life would be so much Easier.

 

http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2010/11/awesome-tag-skills.jpg

 

Hmm... If you stop making the first move,perhaps women will start to approach you and do the first move! :P

Have happened to me. In the past I made "strikes" as you called them,but probably to the wrong persons,and I got rejected. At a point I got bored of getting rejected so I stopped doing that.

Then women started striking to me! The thing is that its hard to predict when a woman likes you or not. And many of them are shy and won't do that first move as I said,only some of them do.

So growing up I learnt many things. Things like that some girls from my high school class liked me enough for a relationship,but I never knew,'cause they never gave me any sign. At the same time I was wasting my time to seem cool and nice for someone else who didn't deserved all that attention anyway.

 

If only people where more open to freely share their feelings.

 

I stopped asking once I got into High School but that was years ago. But I only need 2 Girls to satisfy me and that is Lydia(Skyrim) and Veronica(Fallout New Vegas) they are very Good in Battles they watch my back and tend to kill my Enemies before I can draw/unsheathe my weapons.

Edited January 18, 2013 by Jitansgate

[ilDuderoni]

I'm 23 (about to hit 24 in a month or so) now and I'll tell you one of MY experiences at the age of 15-16 that, without any sarcasm or such, I believe to be my fault.

 

Was my first girlfriend, actually. And you know the memories of your first will NEVER go away. Actually, most bad memories that stuck longer than a day at the time will stick with you in the same amount of decades, if not more.

 

When you're in Highschool (at least, in Belgium), and you have access to a computer and internet, games will always creep themselves up to you. That's how they get you. First you play flash games, and a decade later you're busy modding your favorite game to hell, giving different colors to dragons and making your sword vomit rainbows.

 

At the time, I was playing SilkRoad Online. Back then, proper MMORPG's that were free were rare. Runescape or WoW were the games to play if you had money. And we all know teenagers never have money. Let alone, have means to get that money online.

SilkRoad Online was...well, an addicting experience. Maybe in the face of competitors that would've been different, but it wasn't...

However, not being the tech savvy I am now, I wasn't aware the game had a windowed option. The idea seemed a luxury back then.

 

The main problem with the game was, and still is, the ungodly long waiting lines. Which only got worse with the years. I once turned on my computer at night, put myself in the queue and only got in around when I woke up. Madness, but back in the day, totally worth it.

 

Through a 'new' friend, I met this girl. I'll save you the details how it went, just know that she made the first move through msn (where are the days of msn...ahhh *nostalgic sigh*).

Back then I was a timid person, so...yeah. Teenager + timid does not equal a womanizer. So seeing a girl make the first move was just the thing a low-confident moron like me needed.

 

After we 'agreed' to hook up (thats how things went back then...don't ask. Youth will always remain a mystery to me), I fell ill for an entire week before we had a week off during Fall. (I don't know if other countries have a week off during Fall, but we do)

So we met up in Bruges that Saturday after I got better. Ah, what a marvelous day that was. Even she said she saw a sparkle in my eyes. I wasn't much of a vocal talker back then (still aren't, but for different reasons) so apparently I had enough telltales to show how happy I was.

 

Second date, again in Bruges, was amaaaaaazing. Kissing, First Base. (I hope I have the meaning of bases right...) At that age, that spells a pretty good day to me.

 

We kept contact through Msn. Around that time I started playing SilkRoad Online again. Or it was introduced to me. I'm not so sure anymore. On my name I said for people to buzz me if they needed me while I was on SilkRoad Online.

 

So. Turns out MSN puts you on Busy mode (which disables buzzing effects) when you're in a fullscreen game. My girlfriend came online, waited for me for hours... When I closed the game, I saw all that she said. A friend of hers said she got quite upset with waiting for me and went offline. I sent an e-mail to say I was sorry...dear God, I would've sent thousands if it wasn't for her first response saying it's alright.

 

We later on agreed to meet up again. This time in Courtray (Kortrijk) to go out. That was a pretty bad omen. The city is really not as good to go out in. It was, in fact, pretty shitty. Sorry for the cuss. This one's necessary.

 

The date was...cold, to say the least. She refused to kiss, hold hands. We just went out, I guess, walking. I had a hunch things were bad but...what can you do? You're a teenager and this was your first girlfriend. Living in the shadows of your friends will make such so.

The date was over, and later that evening I would get an e-mail from her, saying it's over. She explained her part and said an equivalent of "Maybe we can be friends and try again later"... :facepalm:

 

Ah, how foolishly I reacted. First I said I'd hurt myself (don't even bother saying how pathetic the idea is, even I should've known at that point that that NEVER works!), then I simply begged. To no avail, of course.

Since, for some reason, I have a mental blockage to really kill or seriously harm myself, I ended up heating up a pocket knife with a lighter and burning myself with it... Yeah, you may wonder why and you'll know just as much as I do. I've never harmed myself ever since...Well, not on purpose at least. :whistling:

 

I became resentful. I've never been one to directly say threats, so I simply put in a biblic manner on my Msn title that "I will banish the demon" or some sort of that...weird stuff. I don't know if that's still excusable by the "I was just a teenager" excuse, but oh well... not like I ever did physically hurt anyone. At all. I could've, I was in proper shape. I just...couldn't. Get it?

 

Not like she'd take that chance. She was soon enough already dating someone else. And he had lots of friends... Metalheads. Back then I listened to Rap...or rather, old Rap. The Rap that...no, I'm not going to start -that- discussion. Not in this topic. You know what kind of Rap I'm talking about.

And one time, as I took the bus to get to the trainstation to get home... I was confronted with her, her boyfriend, and his mob of 20 Metalheads.

 

Am I glad her boyfriend wasn't impulsive. She looked like she could tear a hole out of me, he was actually holding HER back, AND his friends. He explained she felt threatened, I gave my weak excuse of "my msn title doesn't apply to anyone", he said he thought that was BS and told me to change it. Then he took (now) his girl and his mob of friends and left. They broke up a few weeks later, though.

 

How that, years later, affected my becoming a Metalhead will be a discussion for another time. It's irrelevant at this time.

 

 

So, to anyone who is still in a position or age to be able to take a lesson from it, take heed in this:

 

Don't give up gaming for a girl unless you can't bring up the skill/be bothered to find a way to combine it successfully.

Don't be resentful.

And never, ever, hurt yourself. Any chaotic emotions you have going can and most certainly will find a destructive purpose. And the consequences will bite you in the ass. HARD.

Life seems to be different now. Gaming is now for all genders and generations, so who knows how much of all this still applies. God I wish Steam Overlay existed back then...maybe it did, and I just didn't know about it.

 

 

If you would ask me how this has affected my love life...I would first ask you to ask me again in a decade. I'm still figuring myself out. For now, I've largely found solace in gaming. Yes, the culprit that cost me a great relationship has become my only source of grief counseling. Sure, I had highschool-friends. But I still don't know whether it was because they were insensitive bastards, or I was too much of a closed book to show my grief. But either way, they were little help in it all. The 'friend' just said he never talks to her again, because that's what friends do. I guess that's as much loyalty as a teenager could expect back then.

 

In a way, it also shows that gaming itself is not an addiction. It simply is a tool for us to deal, in one way or another, with a problem we are facing. When someone says another is addicted to gaming, they should rather look into why said person is escaping in their own world of games. And not just take the easy road and blame games.

 

Regardless, with almost a decade of additional life experience, I've learned quite a few things. I've learned also about women.

I've learned that the grass is always greener on the other side. And whatever hate-able quirks that shape us men, is met with women who have just as much hate-able quirks. And as each of our quirks make us unique, so does it make them unique. Generalizing will never work, just as generalizing men has never really worked for them. That is why I always keep a close eye on any actions under the banner of feminism. Feminism, if I am not mistaken, aims for equality. Which I will always support.

 

But to reverse the balance is equally bad. The current world still favors men a little bit too much, but a world that favors only women will not fix things. It's not like us men have Menimism, right?

(A gentlemen's club doesn't count. We all know men go to those to read nudie-books and tell cock jokes. We keep the fart jokes to ward off nosy women... Heh, I didn't see that joke coming. My unconcious is a genius.)

 

The secret, I believe, is to find someone who is as compatible with your quirks as you are with hers. A balance that evens out all the bad with the good from the other side. Or the bad with the bad, whatever way you'd like to look at it.

 

At this day I'm still single, but I'm content with myself. Dare I say, happy?

There are days I am lonely, but there are days I enjoy the freedom I still have. I am confident I'll find someone, some day. I've learned now that my hate-able quirks, of which I am for the largest part well-aware, make me unique and I will eventually find someone compatible to me. Until then, I have my dreams and aspirations. And I continue to do what I love, whatever it may be. Right now it's gaming, supporting Obscurum and dreaming about becoming an Internet celebrity thanks to my funny quirks (which, for your information, still hasn't happened yet so don't bother Googling me, you'll just find an old IMVU account *shudders*)

 

On an ending note, I'd like to show a comic from Cyanide and Happiness, just ignore the punchline on the end that turns it into a bad joke.

http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/toansweryourquestion.png

http://www.explosm.net/comics/2823/

So remember. If you think your life sucks, just think that there's always someone who has it a little bit worse.

And Wizards are real. Keep believing!

 

God, I hope I didn't derail the topic too much. This was a bugger to type out.

[Acetoolguy]

Decided to take my mom and sister out for lunch the other day, it seemed ike we only got together lately for weddings, funerals ect the past few years. I thought it would be a nice.....I had this conversation..

 

Sister to me...."i'm mad at you"

"why you mad at me?

you never call...

I called you twice and left messages, you never returned the calls.

I didn't return them because I'm mad at you because you never call.

Mom, to me.....you really need to call your sister more often.

 

Check Please!!

[HeyYou]

Decided to take my mom and sister out for lunch the other day, it seemed ike we only got together lately for weddings, funerals ect the past few years. I thought it would be a nice.....I had this conversation..

 

Sister to me...."i'm mad at you"

"why you mad at me?

you never call...

I called you twice and left messages, you never returned the calls.

I didn't return them because I'm mad at you because you never call.

Mom, to me.....you really need to call your sister more often.

 

Check Please!!

 

Women defy logic....... Next time, ask her:

 

What would you like me to call you? :D

[Werne]

 

 

I'm 23 (about to hit 24 in a month or so) now and I'll tell you one of MY experiences at the age of 15-16 that, without any sarcasm or such, I believe to be my fault.

 

Was my first girlfriend, actually. And you know the memories of your first will NEVER go away. Actually, most bad memories that stuck longer than a day at the time will stick with you in the same amount of decades, if not more.

 

When you're in Highschool (at least, in Belgium), and you have access to a computer and internet, games will always creep themselves up to you. That's how they get you. First you play flash games, and a decade later you're busy modding your favorite game to hell, giving different colors to dragons and making your sword vomit rainbows.

 

At the time, I was playing SilkRoad Online. Back then, proper MMORPG's that were free were rare. Runescape or WoW were the games to play if you had money. And we all know teenagers never have money. Let alone, have means to get that money online.

SilkRoad Online was...well, an addicting experience. Maybe in the face of competitors that would've been different, but it wasn't...

However, not being the tech savvy I am now, I wasn't aware the game had a windowed option. The idea seemed a luxury back then.

 

The main problem with the game was, and still is, the ungodly long waiting lines. Which only got worse with the years. I once turned on my computer at night, put myself in the queue and only got in around when I woke up. Madness, but back in the day, totally worth it.

 

Through a 'new' friend, I met this girl. I'll save you the details how it went, just know that she made the first move through msn (where are the days of msn...ahhh *nostalgic sigh*).

Back then I was a timid person, so...yeah. Teenager + timid does not equal a womanizer. So seeing a girl make the first move was just the thing a low-confident moron like me needed.

 

After we 'agreed' to hook up (thats how things went back then...don't ask. Youth will always remain a mystery to me), I fell ill for an entire week before we had a week off during Fall. (I don't know if other countries have a week off during Fall, but we do)

So we met up in Bruges that Saturday after I got better. Ah, what a marvelous day that was. Even she said she saw a sparkle in my eyes. I wasn't much of a vocal talker back then (still aren't, but for different reasons) so apparently I had enough telltales to show how happy I was.

 

Second date, again in Bruges, was amaaaaaazing. Kissing, First Base. (I hope I have the meaning of bases right...) At that age, that spells a pretty good day to me.

 

We kept contact through Msn. Around that time I started playing SilkRoad Online again. Or it was introduced to me. I'm not so sure anymore. On my name I said for people to buzz me if they needed me while I was on SilkRoad Online.

 

So. Turns out MSN puts you on Busy mode (which disables buzzing effects) when you're in a fullscreen game. My girlfriend came online, waited for me for hours... When I closed the game, I saw all that she said. A friend of hers said she got quite upset with waiting for me and went offline. I sent an e-mail to say I was sorry...dear God, I would've sent thousands if it wasn't for her first response saying it's alright.

 

We later on agreed to meet up again. This time in Courtray (Kortrijk) to go out. That was a pretty bad omen. The city is really not as good to go out in. It was, in fact, pretty shitty. Sorry for the cuss. This one's necessary.

 

The date was...cold, to say the least. She refused to kiss, hold hands. We just went out, I guess, walking. I had a hunch things were bad but...what can you do? You're a teenager and this was your first girlfriend. Living in the shadows of your friends will make such so.

The date was over, and later that evening I would get an e-mail from her, saying it's over. She explained her part and said an equivalent of "Maybe we can be friends and try again later"... :facepalm:

 

Ah, how foolishly I reacted. First I said I'd hurt myself (don't even bother saying how pathetic the idea is, even I should've known at that point that that NEVER works!), then I simply begged. To no avail, of course.

Since, for some reason, I have a mental blockage to really kill or seriously harm myself, I ended up heating up a pocket knife with a lighter and burning myself with it... Yeah, you may wonder why and you'll know just as much as I do. I've never harmed myself ever since...Well, not on purpose at least. :whistling:

 

I became resentful. I've never been one to directly say threats, so I simply put in a biblic manner on my Msn title that "I will banish the demon" or some sort of that...weird stuff. I don't know if that's still excusable by the "I was just a teenager" excuse, but oh well... not like I ever did physically hurt anyone. At all. I could've, I was in proper shape. I just...couldn't. Get it?

 

Not like she'd take that chance. She was soon enough already dating someone else. And he had lots of friends... Metalheads. Back then I listened to Rap...or rather, old Rap. The Rap that...no, I'm not going to start -that- discussion. Not in this topic. You know what kind of Rap I'm talking about.

And one time, as I took the bus to get to the trainstation to get home... I was confronted with her, her boyfriend, and his mob of 20 Metalheads.

 

Am I glad her boyfriend wasn't impulsive. She looked like she could tear a hole out of me, he was actually holding HER back, AND his friends. He explained she felt threatened, I gave my weak excuse of "my msn title doesn't apply to anyone", he said he thought that was BS and told me to change it. Then he took (now) his girl and his mob of friends and left. They broke up a few weeks later, though.

 

How that, years later, affected my becoming a Metalhead will be a discussion for another time. It's irrelevant at this time.

 

 

So, to anyone who is still in a position or age to be able to take a lesson from it, take heed in this:

 

Don't give up gaming for a girl unless you can't bring up the skill/be bothered to find a way to combine it successfully.

Don't be resentful.

And never, ever, hurt yourself. Any chaotic emotions you have going can and most certainly will find a destructive purpose. And the consequences will bite you in the ass. HARD.

Life seems to be different now. Gaming is now for all genders and generations, so who knows how much of all this still applies. God I wish Steam Overlay existed back then...maybe it did, and I just didn't know about it.

 

 

If you would ask me how this has affected my love life...I would first ask you to ask me again in a decade. I'm still figuring myself out. For now, I've largely found solace in gaming. Yes, the culprit that cost me a great relationship has become my only source of grief counseling. Sure, I had highschool-friends. But I still don't know whether it was because they were insensitive bastards, or I was too much of a closed book to show my grief. But either way, they were little help in it all. The 'friend' just said he never talks to her again, because that's what friends do. I guess that's as much loyalty as a teenager could expect back then.

 

In a way, it also shows that gaming itself is not an addiction. It simply is a tool for us to deal, in one way or another, with a problem we are facing. When someone says another is addicted to gaming, they should rather look into why said person is escaping in their own world of games. And not just take the easy road and blame games.

 

Regardless, with almost a decade of additional life experience, I've learned quite a few things. I've learned also about women.

I've learned that the grass is always greener on the other side. And whatever hate-able quirks that shape us men, is met with women who have just as much hate-able quirks. And as each of our quirks make us unique, so does it make them unique. Generalizing will never work, just as generalizing men has never really worked for them. That is why I always keep a close eye on any actions under the banner of feminism. Feminism, if I am not mistaken, aims for equality. Which I will always support.

 

But to reverse the balance is equally bad. The current world still favors men a little bit too much, but a world that favors only women will not fix things. It's not like us men have Menimism, right?

(A gentlemen's club doesn't count. We all know men go to those to read nudie-books and tell cock jokes. We keep the fart jokes to ward off nosy women... Heh, I didn't see that joke coming. My unconcious is a genius.)

 

The secret, I believe, is to find someone who is as compatible with your quirks as you are with hers. A balance that evens out all the bad with the good from the other side. Or the bad with the bad, whatever way you'd like to look at it.

 

At this day I'm still single, but I'm content with myself. Dare I say, happy?

There are days I am lonely, but there are days I enjoy the freedom I still have. I am confident I'll find someone, some day. I've learned now that my hate-able quirks, of which I am for the largest part well-aware, make me unique and I will eventually find someone compatible to me. Until then, I have my dreams and aspirations. And I continue to do what I love, whatever it may be. Right now it's gaming, supporting Obscurum and dreaming about becoming an Internet celebrity thanks to my funny quirks (which, for your information, still hasn't happened yet so don't bother Googling me, you'll just find an old IMVU account *shudders*)

 

On an ending note, I'd like to show a comic from Cyanide and Happiness, just ignore the punchline on the end that turns it into a bad joke.

http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/toansweryourquestion.png

http://www.explosm.net/comics/2823/

So remember. If you think your life sucks, just think that there's always someone who has it a little bit worse.

And Wizards are real. Keep believing!

 

God, I hope I didn't derail the topic too much. This was a bugger to type out.

 

I wouldn't call myself a gamer, I play games for maybe an hour or two in the entire week and that is only to test my mods. And that is completely irrelevant, I don't even know why I wrote it. Anyway, I can imagine how you felt, I've had quite a few breakups, each and every one was painful. And while most people would say hurting yourself to ease the pain is wrong, I can't, so I'll say that it's just another way to deal with pain.

 

Also, a failure is no reason to give up, I've had 17 failures so far but the win is well worth it. :thumbsup:

 

Women defy logic....... Next time, ask her:

 

What would you like me to call you? :D

That's the first thing that crossed my mind when I read his post. :laugh:

 

And I don't think female brain is capable of logical thought processing.

 

Well, either that or someone tampered with their brain's BIOS settings. :tongue:

 

When you argue with a woman, if you win, you lose. If you lose, you MAY win. Try to lose gracefully. :tongue:

Nah, if you win, you lose. If you lose, you lose. And if it's a draw, you lose. Men are designed to lose when arguing with women, no matter what. That's how mother nature made us.

 

See, nature is a woman too and we can't beat it. :no:

[Pyrosocial]

Quote from the show," the guild."

"Women, can't live with them, they will not go out with me." don't have much to offer you in advice since every relation i've had in my 20 years of life ive managed to screw up, so im making it a point to stay single until i'm well settled in as a naval officer in 2 and half years.

 

Regardless, i hope everything works out alright for you. she seems to care about you a lot.

[HeyYou]

If a man speaks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?