beautifulagony Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 http://www.tech-forums.net/pc/1510108-post6.html Follow this link and read what this guy and his computer science engineering department discovered. I have read his post thoroughly and then looked for some tools to inspect my system thoroughly and was able to verify a lot of what he said. In light of this information I am completely uninstalling Fallout 3 and I am going to attempt to remove all traces that it ever existed. This game is horribly dangerous to your computer and should be classified as spyware, trojan and virus, and I think that filing a class-action suit against Bethesda for releasing such a deliberately malicious piece of software is in order. If you are having CTD or serious stuttering issues, your computer has been infected and you may have very serious problems with it before long. If Bethesda does not address these issues, then they are willfully and maliciously damaging peoples' computers. I can't believe I spent $50 to have my computer infected and ruined by a practically unfinished game... why don't companies finish games before they sell them anymore? :( :wallbash: :down: :sick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skotte Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 a site you might want to check out is http://reclaimyourgame.com/ it has a good tutorial on removing SecuROM. Q: "why don't companies finish games before they sell them anymore?" A: IMHO it's a way to shorten the dev cycle of a game. Bethesda should really have kept FO3 longer for bug testing & fixing I got FO3 just two days ago & only today was able to get far enough in to put in my character's name. part of the reason was that the game sets everything to min on "high" settings and the game would lock up because of it.* *= just my experience, others may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehpastaboy Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I've never had any problems whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezlo Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I have a Soundblaster X-Fi XtremeMusic, I use the K-Lite Mega Codec Pack, and I use Nero 8. Fallout 3 has never crashed while I was playing, though it occasionally does when exiting the game, but that's the same issue as Oblivion. I seriously doubt any Computer Science Engineering department is going to by 320 copies of a game just to analyze bugs because the game manufacturer didn't respond to an email. At most they would designate a small team and buy copies for just those team members but even that seems unlikely in this scenario. Bethesda probably didn't even have 320 bug testers in house. Considering I have 3 of the "big issues" mentioned in that article, I have to doubt the accuracy of the report and whether or not it is even at all truthful. Mez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonJTS Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Bloody hell, why do people blow securom out of proportion? Yes, it's annoying and dosn't work as it's supposed to, but it's not going to destroy your computer. The only problem here is that article. And I find it suspicious no source link was included. Plus there's the fact some independant firm isn't going to blow $1600 to test a game because bethesda couldn't personally respond to their emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddybearman Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Compared to what certain other companies are doing *cough cough EA*, Beth's SecuROM implementation is pretty light. I still think SecuROM is crap, and would love to see companies stop using it altogether; but I'm also not going wound up over it. As far as crashes go I primarily only get them when exitting the game (no different from Oblivion). I get the occassional one when I'm playing, and that is probably memory leak related, but memory leaks are just a part of PC gaming IMO. Lots of games have memory leaks in them imo, the only thing that really varies is the severity of them. I do sometimes get video texture corruption, but when that occurs I know it's time to save my game, quit and reload. I did have some issues with audio corruption, but I was able to resolve those by modifying a single line in the INI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilbeefjerky Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 SecuROM is a retarded and useless rootkit, yes.But what you're doing is overblowing the situation and fearmongering. Concentrate on the real issues and not this ZOMG TROJAN crap that people will certainly dismiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikekearn Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I find it suspicious that a majority of the posters in the thread linked by OP are first-time posters, including the one linked to specifically. That, combined with no source, makes me disbelieve this entirely. Especially given that I've had very few problems with Fallout 3 on my PC. Even less on my Xbox 360, but that's another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulagony Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 Well, I'm glad that *NOBODY* is having trouble with Fallout 3 except me (and about 185,000 other people, but vulk them and me, right?) Regardless of what people think of the article, read the Bethesda forums and look at the massive flood of people having trouble. This game is buggy and filled with problems, and they only get worse over time. Bethesda screwed up releasing Oblivion too soon and far too buggy, and now they've made the same mistake again with FO3. and we've done nothing to show them we don't like that. They know 100% that they will build hype well before release, and buy all the great reviews from places like IGN (whose good reviews can be, and ARE, bought)... then they release the game, riddled with bugs and MAJOR issues knowing we'll all run out and buy it, and knowing that we can NEVER RETURN IT for a REFUND!!! So, even if we don't like it, we have NO CHOICE BUT TO SUCK IT UP. If it was a batch of bad microwaves or crappy televisions, we'd return them to the store... but you can't return opened software (oh, except for a exchange of the SAME TITLE)... So, you see, the video game industry is the only one who can routinely churn out absolute poo and SPOON FEED it to us. We female dog and moan, yet we suck it down and BEG for more, and they are not held accountable for ANYTHING. As long as the game LOOKS PRETTY and they buy a few good reviews, they have nothing to worry about. Those initial MILLIONS of sales will cover their asses. Quite a sweet racket they've got set up there.... churn out complete garbage (like Rockstar did with GTA 4) and sit back and laugh their asse soff in HUGE *ban* piles of cash.... then release a patch months later that doesn't even do anything, then sell DLC and start raking in MORE CASH from retarded people who don't realize it's stuff they could have gotten from mod sites... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikekearn Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Oh go away and female dog somewhere else. If the game was as horrible as you claim, people wouldn't buy it. The fact that they can sell millions of copies means people obviously like it or want it. If you thought Oblivion was so bad, why did you buy Fallout 3? You put yourself in the same position you are decrying others for. Games that sell millions of copies don't do so because they suck. If a game sucks, it will get out that the game sucks, and it won't sell. You make it sound like these companies have a conspiracy to brainwash people into buying garbage. Unless Bethesda managed to buy off 95% of the reviewer sites in existence, I'm going to have to say you're just trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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