Fallout 3 children

[zip2k4]

the way i look at it is ok fine, yes killing children is horrible, yes putting a bullet thru their tiny brain is very very disfiguring normal human moral.

BUT.....

isnt that how wasteland should be? I do beleive that:

1. YES kids should be able to be killed

2. YES kids should be able to be killed in the most horrific fashion there is

3. YES kids should be able to defend themselves

 

I think in pursuit of the feeling of "lifelike experience" a game should not be hold back at all!!!

if the truth is gory, filled with violence, horrible dismemberment of body parts, and lots of terrible maiming

THEN let it be like that! let it be bathed in blood! let it be filled with screams of children!

because.... Part of understanding is being mature about it, if you do like violence do it a safe way - video games, punching sand bag, etc.

be mature about it, understand that there is restrictions about life that ONLY you can ALLOW IT TO BE WHAT IT IS!

 

I mean, the only reason you did not kill in real life is because you do not chose to....

THINK ABOUT IT.... Lol, i sounded like a teacher, anyway my point remains valid :biggrin:

[Skotte]

So.. is it the fact that the children are typically defenseless that you've taken such a strong stance against the removal of their "godmode"?

 

So what would you feel about someone putting the children in a position to cause harm IE not afraid & armed, I am genuinely curious as what you think

 

thats not the main reason but that is a part of it. kids are armed and not afraid so what? its still a child. a child is much more than "just another person". a child is very young. he/she has not had much time to experience the good things earth and life provide us (don't give me any of that emo "but life sucks" crap. some of us prefer to be optimistic. try it some time you might just like it.). Killing a kid is a rather serious moral crime to me. because not only are you murdering but your also cheating them too. your cheating that child out of having some sort of life and living it. you were given the chance to age, you were already exposed to things in your life like love, loss, happiness, friendship, family (this does not mean biological. what I call a family is anyone who loves you in a manner that they care enough about you to watch out for you and try hard to always be there for you.), etc. at an age like the characters (roughly 18 or 19) we had our chance to experience that. if your as young as the character it might not be the most time you have had. but that does not change the fact that a child has had less time to experience life in its fullest. even in an post apocalyptic wasteland you can live maybe not comfortable life. but you will still have those things that you can experience. Friends (Amata is a good example) family (james), and simply leaving the vault is experiencing the outside world. its not a comfortable life but its better than none. and no one should be cheated out of experiencing life.

 

You must think me to be just a horrible monstrous "baby eater" that scowls at the sun. I'm not though, I have nieces & nephews that I absolutely love (and have since I was about 19 myself) but the Virtual representations of children in fallout 3 will not grow up or old if you let the game run (not without a mod anyways) I only wish the raiders valued the children as you do

 

as far as what to do if your being shot at by a kid with an armed gun...well. assuming you attacked the kid you deserve it. and if not you could always disarm with vats it always has been an option and its a good option that I would recommend. and if your talking real life. run. your not a fallout 3 character lol. a gun WILL kill you no matter who its shot by. of course do you really expect a kid to know how to use a gun? you cant just pick up a gun and go "bang bang" you need to know how to hold it properly you need to make sure your loaded your safety needs to be turned off and im sure theres more things to do as well. but realistically if a kid ever has a gun and is threatening to shoot you. chances are he/she does not know how to properly handle it. one shot probably would miss and he/she would hurt themselves from the recoil. and im sure it would be painful for a kid. just run and call 911.

 

I hope that better answers your question on what to do if children suddenly aren't afraid and armed. Of course a situation like this would be very rare. the only kids I know of that are like what you have described have been Brainwashed and live in Africa.

 

let's keep this in context with the game.

 

1 I am all for the kids being able to defend themselves, I am also all for us defending ourselves incase the kids attack (like from a mod)

 

2 Vats don't work on children so no go there.

 

3 the player learned to shoot at 10 & mayor mcCready has a gun so why not others?

[Conscripted]

And yes, sometimes I want to kill the kids in F3 because they are annoying little brats (the mayor and Princess in Little Lamplight). And sometimes I just want to play an all and out evil player which would include killing everybody in a town to include the children.

 

aint that a bit much? lamplight is just filled with a bunch of scared kids. thats all. they arent brats they're just afraid of something they dont understand like adult hood. and killing children isnt necessary in order to be evil. besides you know whats more evil than killing those kids anyway? going to the republic of dave and killing all the adults and leaveing the kids alive. those kids cant handle themselves out in that rusty old town. so go figure. also what does it prove? that you can kill a small child? yeah thats the best in bragging rights I suppose. nothing to brag about killing a superhuman behemoth with unarmed melee or without the fat man...nah killing small defenseless children is more worthy of bragging :rolleyes:

 

well you have fun killing those kids. im going to challenge myself by fighting something worth fighting and at that same time not be a sicko about it.

 

 

Funny story, actually, but the first time I went up against the Behemoth I didn't know that I was supposed to use the fatman to kill him so I ended up using most of my ammo and got the job done.

 

As for children being "special," I would tend to agree if it weren't for the fact that these are just virtual representations of children. They have no more or less "life experience" as the oldest character does in the game. So I wonder why I'm not allowed to do things virtually in a made up universe that is supposed to be an extraordinarily harsh version of reality.

 

The children of Little Lamplight are armed, they go hunting for meat, so they know which end of a gun is dangerous. And they didn't strike me at all to be these naive and frightened children that you seem to believe they are. And if I am playing an evil character in game, I would find it convenient to just as easily kill all the children in a town while leaving all of the adults safe as I would killing the parents while sparing the children, except for the fact that it would have no true psychological affect in game so my evil character would massacre everyone. And if you think that it is terrible and wrong, for some strange reason, then mission accomplished, my character is evil. Tah-dah!

[grumbler]

I think that it is clear why the children cannot be killed in the game (real-world legal issues) and that it is clear that there are mods that allow them to be killed (at least those not quest-essential, not sure about QE types, as I don't play with those mods).

 

I don't think it says a damned thing about the morality of a player if they do or don't play with these mods.

 

BethSoft, of course, cannot allow discussion of such mods on their forums (those Fascist rat-bastards! ) because of the trouble they ran into in Oblivion, were the whole game was re-rated because BethSoft was seen as supporting a partially-nude mod. They don't need that kind of controversy, because it costs them money and gains them nothing at all.

[Conscripted]

I think that it is clear why the children cannot be killed in the game (real-world legal issues) and that it is clear that there are mods that allow them to be killed (at least those not quest-essential, not sure about QE types, as I don't play with those mods).

 

I don't think it says a damned thing about the morality of a player if they do or don't play with these mods.

 

BethSoft, of course, cannot allow discussion of such mods on their forums (those Fascist rat-bastards! ) because of the trouble they ran into in Oblivion, were the whole game was re-rated because BethSoft was seen as supporting a partially-nude mod. They don't need that kind of controversy, because it costs them money and gains them nothing at all.

 

 

Considering the increase in sales after "controversial" news is made and hopped up by the media, I'd say that there might be some benefit to letting certain trouble brew.

 

The people who are offended from it are generally not the people who would have purchased the product in the first place and it allows a greater number of potential buyers who might find the controversy something worth looking into.

 

As an example, the "hot coffee mod." How many of those angry parents (and people with just too much time on their hand) would have bought the game regardless? And then how many gamers examined the GTA series just because of it? Or how many people picked up a copy just to check it out?

 

I think Bethsoft could make the controversy work for them, but they would just have to be careful about it and contingency plan for it ahead of time.

[Kellao]

screw this. I dont want to type out you and that other guys obvious flaws. im done aregueing here. its not worth it. or my time its like trying to talk to 12 year olds on runescape. its not possible. so yeah okay whatever. you know everyones talking about "the realisticness of the game" theres a problem with that setnece. its not realistic. the world of fallout probably isnt even possible. as a matter of fact not even the oasis is possible. THE WATER IS IRRADIATED NOTHING CAN GROW IN THE OASIS. and ghouls? thats not real. supermutants? havent seen any in my day. I think you guys need to realize fallout 3 IS A GAME. its a game its not a life its a game. I understand some realisticness but is the killing of children necessary? ABSOLUTELY NOT. ITS NOT. Bethseda even knows this otherwise they would have put it in the game for all of you. honestly its not necessary. it just isnt. and never should it be to make something more realistic.

 

you might as well make Fallout 3 the mother f***ing Sims. add a bladder control so you have to go to the bathroom every once and a while, and yes even in important battles oh and to be even more realistic if you hold it in too long you can get a disease! why not have a eating mod next then? or hey maybe you want to make it even more realistic and put in a mod for women that gives them their period and they have to go buy tampons. ooooh what else can we add to this GAME to try and make it replace real life? OH I KNOW!!! how about an ageing and realistic death mod so that way you can die of old age or heart disease. oh oh! heres another one an eating mod where you can become overweight and have your artieries clogged so you have to watch your cholesterol and fat intake ISNT THAT AWESOME GUYS!?!?!?!?! WE HAVE SOMETHING TO REPLACE REAL LIFE ITS CALLED FALLOUT 3!!!!

 

do you guys even know WHY a lot of people play RPG characters? BECAUSE ITS AN ESCAPE. nobody wants to put up with f***ing real life. how stupid is that. what do you want next a mod that makes a guy come to collect taxes for you? Get the f*** out of here. thats ridiculous! we play these games so we can escape real life because the real world could be not just boreing but hard and cruel. one word: Darfur. WHY THE F*** WOULD WE WANT TO KILL KIDS? isnt there enough of that going on in the world? havent you ll had enough of hearing it on the news? dont you even feel bad for a second? and what has the US done? NOTHING. AT ALL. all we f***ing do is keep jacking off in Iraq. its things like that. I DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THIS. im trying to relax! im trying to enjoy myself thats the point of the game and if killing children is RELAXING and ENTERTAINING to you, then you need to see a psychatrist fast. because your just as f***ed up in the head as Charles Manson.

 

im done here I cant believe I have found myself arguing with people so ignorant. If you find find entertainment out of killing kids then go call your psychiatrist and seek out psychiatric help immediately... you need it.

[Skotte]

Kellao, You seem to still miss the point. It's about the choice of the player (something the series is based on) while some want to blow the heads off the more annoying "kids" there are those who would like the feeling of being able to protect the little ones,but given they can't be hurt that's pretty pointless. And IMHO this has nothing to do with our attitudes of real children. And since I'm one who plays a child race Why am I not invulnerable?

 

If it makes you feel better I can't stand the woman who gassed her daughter. No real child deserves that.

[grumbler]

Kellao, thanks for withdrawing from the discussion. It is clear that your problem isn't with positions, but with the strawmen you have set up in place of the other posters. Once one becomes that detached from reality, it is best to simply withdraw, as you have done. You are wiser than this rant would suggest.