Shiningstar112 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) EDIT 2: This issue seems to be with my default game and not mods, I do not know what is happening.I genuinely cannot figure out what is happening here. I have NO mods that alter the animations of vanilla creatures. The closest is Infamous Ice Wraith's but that only modifies the skeleton, not the animations and has been reported to work with vanilla combat. Plus I have all the other mods of Rogueshot's animal series installed and none of them have had issues.The thing is, they can move and attack. They just don't bend or move properly. They are essentially flailing ice sticks floating and trying to whack me like some invisible hand is wielding them as swords. They are incapable of bending as well. Both old saves and new.I have used FNIS and it's creature pack, installing, running, reinstalling, de-installing the creature pack, none of that worked. I have tried restoring vanilla Ice wraith files entirely via unpacking them from the BSA, deleting them and re-verifying through steam, literally every option that could possibly help that I've found in my searches has failed. The only thing I haven't done is the option I dread most as it means reinstalling the entire game AGAIN as well as every single mod in my mod list in hopes that the damn wraiths stop being ghost swords. If I have to do that, I'm just dealing with the broken animation. Spent hours trying to fix this on my own without breaking everything else in the process.I want to include my Load Order but I cannot for the life of me find it, the one log with it is outdated as I see mods on there I don't even have installed anymore. If someone can tell me how to find an easily copy-paste version of my actual current load order I'll edit this to include it.EDIT: Load OrderSkyrim.esmUpdate.esmDawnguard.esmHearthFires.esmDragonborn.esmUnofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.espRSkyrimChildren.esmMilkSomeCows.eslAHZmoreHUDInventory.eslLegacyoftheDragonborn.esmRealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esmCampfire.esmRaceCompatibility.esmSmithingAndSmeltingImproved.eslGray Fox Cowl.esmNight Eye Overhaul.esmFISS.espDynDOLOD.esmSkyUI_SE.espICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.espGildergreen Regrown.espSummermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.espiNeed.espiNeed - Extended.espThe Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.espThe Great Town of Karthwasten.espCivil War Aftermath.espMorrowloot.espThe Great Village of Old Hroldan.espWhiterunBigChildBedroomAndBasement.espOpulentThievesGuild.espSolitudeBigChildBedroomAndExtraRooms.espMoonAndStar_MAS.espMrissiTailOfTroubles.espBattleAftermath.espHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espmoonpath.espJRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.espArcheryDummyXP.espJZBai_PracticalFemaleArmors.espDark Brotherhood Mask Fix - SSE.espCBBE.espRS Children - WACCF Consistency Patch.esp360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.espTissHeadTrack.espFirst Person Camera Height Fix.espFNIS.espDBM_RSChildren_Patch.espYOT - Gray Fox.espYOT - LOTD5.espYOT - Your Own Thoughts.espYOT - Campfire.espYOT - Summermyst.espYOT - iNeed.espHearthfireMultiKid.espBetter Harvesting (animal loot version).espKhajiitWillFollow.espDBM_RelicNotifications.espWindhelmHjerimBasementAndBigChildBedroom.esp0Kaidan.espCutting Room Floor.espPrinceandPauper.espCommonClothes.espColovianNobleClothes.espOCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.espEMCompViljaSkyrim.espEllaViljaOverhaul.espOCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.espOCW_LightingPatch_Brighter.espOCW_LotD_FEPatch.espOCW_MusicPatch_VanillaPlus.espRace Compatibility Dialogue SSE.espYOT - Cutting Room Floor.espYOT - OCW.espJS Armored Circlets SE.espDwarfsphere.espYOT - Project AHO.espRun For Your Lives.espCloaks.espLoweredHoods.espInigo.espImmersive Patrols II.espAHZBetterDGEntranceSE.espOCW_TGCs_FEPatch.espOblivion Gates Remade.esp018Auri.espatkspdmod.espArtful Dodger - Dynamic Pickpocket Cap.espHothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.espRace Compatablity - Vilja.espEMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.espDawnguardArsenal.espCloaks - Dawnguard.espGuards_Armor_Replacer.espImmersive Weapons.espkonahrik_accoutrements.espOCW_KA_FEPatch.espCWRepairs.espDBM_GuardsArmorReplacer_Patch.espLOTD_TCC_GuardArm.espDBM_MorrowlootClassic_Patch.espSkoomaDen.espRiftenHoneysideBigChildBedroomAndEnchantingLab.espDBM_AHO_Patch.espFossilsyum.espDBM_IW_Patch.espOCW_CRF_FEPatch.espLOTD_TCC_ImmWeap.espHeavyLegion.espDBM_HeavyLegion_Patch.espYOT - CWRepairs.espAlchemical Treatise.espDBM_CRF_Patch.espMarkarthVlindrelHallBasementAndBigChildBedroom.espOCW_MToT_FEPatch.espDawnguard Hoods.espConvenient Horses.espDBM_MAS_Patch.espVilja - USSEP Patch.espForgottenCity.espLucien.espDBM_SafehousePlus_Addon.espThe Paarthurnax Dilemma.espICNs_Lite.espFossilMiningMapMarkers.espDBM_KA_Patch.espDBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.espDBM_TheGrayCowlofNocturnal_Patch.espKWFPatch_FC.espDBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.espDBM_TheGreatCitiesMinor_Patch.espDBM_iNeed_Patch.espNotSoFast-MageGuild.espOblivion Gates in Cities.espMCWT_FriendlyFaralda.espMore DBM Shipping Crates.espProject AHO - USSEP Patch.espMoon and Star - USSEP Patch.espGreatCitiesMoonpathPatch.espDBM_Moonpath_Patch.espHedge Mage Armor.espMCWT_ACollegeCoup.espMy Home Is Your Home.espMCWT_DeadDunmerDelivery.espGreatCitiesDoorFix.espAuri - USSEP Patch.espForgotten City - USSEP Patch.espOCW_iN_FEPatch.espOCW_ML_FEPatch.espLOTD_TCC_Cloaks.espLOTD_TCC_SafehousePlus.espLOTD_TCC_TFC.espDBM_IA_Patch.espLOTD_TCC_ImmArm.espDBM_DGA_Patch.espLOTD_TCC_DawnguardArsenal.espDBM_Fossils_Patch.espLOTD_TCC_Fossils.espLucien-Moonpath-Patch.espLOTD_TCC_GrayCowl.espLOTD_TCC_KA.espLOTD_TCC_MAS.espLOTD_TCC_Moonpath.espLOTD_TCC_ProjectAHO.espAdvanced Mining.espApocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.espProjectAHO - StartWhenYouWant.espAuri - Mrissi Patch.espElla_AuriAlt.espOCW_iNE_FEPatch.espOBS_ClosingTime.espBRB_BeastRaceBodypaints.espBecomeABard.espBuryTheDead.espCrittersAintSnitches.espEnchDetectLife.espdovahkiinrelax.espdragonAspectMage.espHairsBeastRace - Extended Plus - Replacer.espFaceMasksOfSkyrim.espFollowerWander2.espFootprints.espGreybeard Clothing.espHallgarthAdditionalHair.esphonedmetal.espHornsAreForever.espIMAGINATOR SSE - Visual Control for Skyrim.espiHUD.espImproved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.espInigoWhistleKey.espInvisibility.espLazyRenamer.espLess Lucrative Ore Mining - Hardcore.esplootable ring of Namira.espLucien-MoonandStar-Patch.espOpulentThievesGuildPatch.espMeekoReborn.espMoonlightTalesMCM.espSkyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets SSE.espWACCF - CRF Consistency Patch.espMoonlight Tales Special Edition.espYOT - Moonlight Tales Overhaul.espmore plants all extra.espWindhelmRacism.espMore Racism - CRF Patch.espNEO Persistent Spell.espOblivion Gates Remade - 1st Person Messages.espOdahviingReplacer_Frost.espPnP - HFMultiKid Patch.espRSChildren.espPrince and the Pauper SE - RS Children Patch.espProjectAHODelaySlaveryMCM.espCRF_RSChildrenPatch.espMoonAndStar_RSC_Patch.espRSC Forgotten City Patch.espRace Compatablity - Inigo.espRace Compatibility - Khajiit Will Follow.espRace Compatibility Dialogue SSE - Project AHO.espRealNames - SSE Edition.espTreasureHunterGarb.espRustic Weathers And Lighting.espSFO_SkinFeatureOverlays.espRaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.espCompanions Radiant Quests Requirement.espTrue Scholar.espYOT - True Scholar.espTimingIsEverything.espDragonCombatDialogue.espUnique Dragon Aspect.espVigilanceReborn.espWardsFunctionalitiesExtended.espWardsFunctionalitiesExtended - CuttingRoomFloor Patch.espVWA_VanillaWarpaintsAbsolution.espWindhelmSegregation.esptruetelekinesis.espCloaks - USSEP Patch.espHearthfireMultiKid_LastName.espImproved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.espMore Racism - LotD Patch.espMCWT_ACollegeCoup_OCW.espNEO Tint 1.espOblivion Gates Remade - Alternate Textures.espRace Compatibility Dialogue SSE - Forgotten City.espImproved Eyes Skyrim.espMCWT_GovernableGatekeeper.espUltraVision.espMCWT_ArnielsAppeals.espNight Eye Overhaul.espMCWT_ExpiditeTheExpirate.espMCWT_InescapableInsights.espMCWT_TheAugursAdmonishment_NSF-MG.espMCWT_UnflappableFaculty.espDeadlyDragons.espDeadlyDragon Optionals.espAHZmoreHUD.espRaceMenu.espRaceMenuPlugin.espXPMSE.esp018InigoBanterPatch.espCWR_IC_Patch.espYOT - Convenient Horses.espAndromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.espYOT - Andromeda.espPermaFrost.espRunandwalkpaces.espWalklikeanormalperson.espDramatic Deer.espHellish Hounds.espImperious - Races of Skyrim.espYOT - Imperious.espOrdinator - Perks of Skyrim.espYOT - Ordinator.espApocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.espYOT - Apocalypse.espAlternate Start - Live Another Life.espAlternate Start -- New Beginnings.espStarting Spells LAL.espDBM_RelicHunter.espRace Compatibility Dialogue SSE - ASLAL.espMCWT_MageLightMaintenance.espOCW_CellSettings.espMCWT_EarlyElementalist_OCW.espRealisticWaterTwo.espRealisticWaterTwo - Cutting Room Floor Patch.espRealisticWaterTwo - ASLAL Patch.espzPatch.espDynDOLOD.esp Edited December 31, 2020 by Shiningstar112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anjenthedog Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Your load list is located (normally) in /AppData/Local/Skyrim Special Edition/ from within the user's folder. As for your issue, no idea aside from the obvious (something has dinged your ice wraith animation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saurusmaximus Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 The closest is Infamous Ice Wraith's but that only modifies the skeletonThat doesn't mean it won't affect the animations. Did you try disabling it to see if it made any difference? The only thing I haven't done is the option I dread most as it means reinstalling the entire game AGAINProbably not necessary, we just need to troubleshoot the problem a little more. Start with the obvious suspects, like the mod mentioned above, and work backwards from there. Then disable any mods that add/modify creatures or their animations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningstar112 Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share Posted December 20, 2020 Okay here's my load order:Skyrim.esmUpdate.esmDawnguard.esmHearthFires.esmDragonborn.esmUnofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.espRSkyrimChildren.esmMilkSomeCows.eslAHZmoreHUDInventory.eslLegacyoftheDragonborn.esmRealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esmCampfire.esmRaceCompatibility.esmSmithingAndSmeltingImproved.eslGray Fox Cowl.esmNight Eye Overhaul.esmFISS.espDynDOLOD.esmSkyUI_SE.espICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.espGildergreen Regrown.espSummermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.espiNeed.espiNeed - Extended.espThe Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.espThe Great Town of Karthwasten.espCivil War Aftermath.espMorrowloot.espThe Great Village of Old Hroldan.espWhiterunBigChildBedroomAndBasement.espOpulentThievesGuild.espSolitudeBigChildBedroomAndExtraRooms.espMoonAndStar_MAS.espMrissiTailOfTroubles.espBattleAftermath.espHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espmoonpath.espJRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.espArcheryDummyXP.espJZBai_PracticalFemaleArmors.espDark Brotherhood Mask Fix - SSE.espCBBE.espRS Children - WACCF Consistency Patch.esp360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.espTissHeadTrack.espFirst Person Camera Height Fix.espFNIS.espDBM_RSChildren_Patch.espYOT - Gray Fox.espYOT - LOTD5.espYOT - Your Own Thoughts.espYOT - Campfire.espYOT - Summermyst.espYOT - iNeed.espHearthfireMultiKid.espBetter Harvesting (animal loot version).espKhajiitWillFollow.espDBM_RelicNotifications.espWindhelmHjerimBasementAndBigChildBedroom.esp0Kaidan.espCutting Room Floor.espPrinceandPauper.espCommonClothes.espColovianNobleClothes.espOCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.espEMCompViljaSkyrim.espEllaViljaOverhaul.espOCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.espOCW_LightingPatch_Brighter.espOCW_LotD_FEPatch.espOCW_MusicPatch_VanillaPlus.espRace Compatibility Dialogue SSE.espYOT - Cutting Room Floor.espYOT - OCW.espJS Armored Circlets SE.espDwarfsphere.espYOT - Project AHO.espRun For Your Lives.espCloaks.espLoweredHoods.espInigo.espImmersive Patrols II.espAHZBetterDGEntranceSE.espOCW_TGCs_FEPatch.espOblivion Gates Remade.esp018Auri.espatkspdmod.espArtful Dodger - Dynamic Pickpocket Cap.espHothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.espRace Compatablity - Vilja.espEMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.espDawnguardArsenal.espCloaks - Dawnguard.espGuards_Armor_Replacer.espImmersive Weapons.espkonahrik_accoutrements.espOCW_KA_FEPatch.espCWRepairs.espDBM_GuardsArmorReplacer_Patch.espLOTD_TCC_GuardArm.espDBM_MorrowlootClassic_Patch.espSkoomaDen.espRiftenHoneysideBigChildBedroomAndEnchantingLab.espDBM_AHO_Patch.espFossilsyum.espDBM_IW_Patch.espOCW_CRF_FEPatch.espLOTD_TCC_ImmWeap.espHeavyLegion.espDBM_HeavyLegion_Patch.espYOT - CWRepairs.espAlchemical Treatise.espDBM_CRF_Patch.espMarkarthVlindrelHallBasementAndBigChildBedroom.espOCW_MToT_FEPatch.espDawnguard Hoods.espConvenient Horses.espDBM_MAS_Patch.espVilja - USSEP Patch.espForgottenCity.espLucien.espDBM_SafehousePlus_Addon.espThe Paarthurnax Dilemma.espICNs_Lite.espFossilMiningMapMarkers.espDBM_KA_Patch.espDBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.espDBM_TheGrayCowlofNocturnal_Patch.espKWFPatch_FC.espDBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.espDBM_TheGreatCitiesMinor_Patch.espDBM_iNeed_Patch.espNotSoFast-MageGuild.espOblivion Gates in Cities.espMCWT_FriendlyFaralda.espMore DBM Shipping Crates.espProject AHO - USSEP Patch.espMoon and Star - USSEP Patch.espGreatCitiesMoonpathPatch.espDBM_Moonpath_Patch.espHedge Mage Armor.espMCWT_ACollegeCoup.espMy Home Is Your Home.espMCWT_DeadDunmerDelivery.espGreatCitiesDoorFix.espAuri - USSEP Patch.espForgotten City - USSEP Patch.espOCW_iN_FEPatch.espOCW_ML_FEPatch.espLOTD_TCC_Cloaks.espLOTD_TCC_SafehousePlus.espLOTD_TCC_TFC.espDBM_IA_Patch.espLOTD_TCC_ImmArm.espDBM_DGA_Patch.espLOTD_TCC_DawnguardArsenal.espDBM_Fossils_Patch.espLOTD_TCC_Fossils.espLucien-Moonpath-Patch.espLOTD_TCC_GrayCowl.espLOTD_TCC_KA.espLOTD_TCC_MAS.espLOTD_TCC_Moonpath.espLOTD_TCC_ProjectAHO.espAdvanced Mining.espApocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.espProjectAHO - StartWhenYouWant.espAuri - Mrissi Patch.espElla_AuriAlt.espOCW_iNE_FEPatch.espOBS_ClosingTime.espBRB_BeastRaceBodypaints.espBecomeABard.espBuryTheDead.espCrittersAintSnitches.espEnchDetectLife.espdovahkiinrelax.espdragonAspectMage.espHairsBeastRace - Extended Plus - Replacer.espFaceMasksOfSkyrim.espFollowerWander2.espFootprints.espGreybeard Clothing.espHallgarthAdditionalHair.esphonedmetal.espHornsAreForever.espIMAGINATOR SSE - Visual Control for Skyrim.espiHUD.espImproved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.espInigoWhistleKey.espInvisibility.espLazyRenamer.espLess Lucrative Ore Mining - Hardcore.esplootable ring of Namira.espLucien-MoonandStar-Patch.espOpulentThievesGuildPatch.espMeekoReborn.espMoonlightTalesMCM.espSkyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets SSE.espWACCF - CRF Consistency Patch.espMoonlight Tales Special Edition.espYOT - Moonlight Tales Overhaul.espmore plants all extra.espWindhelmRacism.espMore Racism - CRF Patch.espNEO Persistent Spell.espOblivion Gates Remade - 1st Person Messages.espOdahviingReplacer_Frost.espPnP - HFMultiKid Patch.espRSChildren.espPrince and the Pauper SE - RS Children Patch.espProjectAHODelaySlaveryMCM.espCRF_RSChildrenPatch.espMoonAndStar_RSC_Patch.espRSC Forgotten City Patch.espRace Compatablity - Inigo.espRace Compatibility - Khajiit Will Follow.espRace Compatibility Dialogue SSE - Project AHO.espRealNames - SSE Edition.espTreasureHunterGarb.espRustic Weathers And Lighting.espSFO_SkinFeatureOverlays.espRaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.espCompanions Radiant Quests Requirement.espTrue Scholar.espYOT - True Scholar.espTimingIsEverything.espDragonCombatDialogue.espUnique Dragon Aspect.espVigilanceReborn.espWardsFunctionalitiesExtended.espWardsFunctionalitiesExtended - CuttingRoomFloor Patch.espVWA_VanillaWarpaintsAbsolution.espWindhelmSegregation.esptruetelekinesis.espCloaks - USSEP Patch.espHearthfireMultiKid_LastName.espImproved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.espMore Racism - LotD Patch.espMCWT_ACollegeCoup_OCW.espNEO Tint 1.espOblivion Gates Remade - Alternate Textures.espRace Compatibility Dialogue SSE - Forgotten City.espImproved Eyes Skyrim.espMCWT_GovernableGatekeeper.espUltraVision.espMCWT_ArnielsAppeals.espNight Eye Overhaul.espMCWT_ExpiditeTheExpirate.espMCWT_InescapableInsights.espMCWT_TheAugursAdmonishment_NSF-MG.espMCWT_UnflappableFaculty.espDeadlyDragons.espDeadlyDragon Optionals.espAHZmoreHUD.espRaceMenu.espRaceMenuPlugin.espXPMSE.esp018InigoBanterPatch.espCWR_IC_Patch.espYOT - Convenient Horses.espAndromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.espYOT - Andromeda.espPermaFrost.espRunandwalkpaces.espWalklikeanormalperson.espDramatic Deer.espHellish Hounds.espImperious - Races of Skyrim.espYOT - Imperious.espOrdinator - Perks of Skyrim.espYOT - Ordinator.espApocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.espYOT - Apocalypse.espAlternate Start - Live Another Life.espAlternate Start -- New Beginnings.espStarting Spells LAL.espDBM_RelicHunter.espRace Compatibility Dialogue SSE - ASLAL.espMCWT_MageLightMaintenance.espOCW_CellSettings.espMCWT_EarlyElementalist_OCW.espRealisticWaterTwo.espRealisticWaterTwo - Cutting Room Floor Patch.espRealisticWaterTwo - ASLAL Patch.espzPatch.espDynDOLOD.espI've already messed with Infamous Ice Wraiths, having it disabled didn't change anything so it's not that. I'll mess with all the ones I can think of and report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningstar112 Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) Okay, I don't know why but fiddling with things again and somehow I got to a point where I fixed the problem and Ice Wraiths move normally again, but Infamous Ice Wraiths breaks it again. Genuinely unsure why this time it made a difference when it didn't the other multiple times I tested it, but I guess that will be the one of Rogueshot's mods I can't use.EDIT: Nvm it looked like it worked but not having Infamous Ice Wraiths only made it less noticeable. Edited December 20, 2020 by Shiningstar112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningstar112 Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) Disregard this, every time I thought it worked it was just me being tired and mistaking the movement as the animation again.Okay, retrying a method I assumed worked but seemed to fail again after worked once more, and I believe it was an issue with FNIS and the creature pack and then my further attempts to fix it ruining it worse than it was originally. I got rid of the creature pack as FNIS instructs since it was also making my werewolves t-pose due to having Moonlight Tales Essentials from Oldrim also installed. Fixing the werewolves again resulted in me re-breaking the ice wraiths due to how I went about it. This time after removing the creature pack I copied over the general and unique behavior files, the original ice wraith creature file in actors, its effects, everything ice wraith to its appropriate spot and redeployed my mods and FNIS. Now my Ice Wraiths are once again slithering in the air like snakes and werewolves are not t-posing :DSeems whenever I re-deploy my mods something is overwriting them, but fixing them that way and just launching the game fixes them. I'll end up digging for what's causing issues with them later, as my mod order on this playthrough isn't going to change so when I get to a new game I'll properly root out the problem. Edited December 31, 2020 by Shiningstar112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningstar112 Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 An update after redoing my load order from scratch for my next character: Even with no mods, my ice wraiths refuse to animate. I genuinely do not understand why. I guess until someone releases an ice wrait animation mod mine will forever be boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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