No random dragon attacks - any help?

[Kevin0904]

Hello everyone,
I started a new game with a lot of mods (152 .esps, modlist is in the spoiler) and I played around ~30 hours now. Everything runs fine (with an occasional CTD or freeze) except one problem:
There are no random dragon attacks.

I'm not sure what causes this, especially when all the other stuff is fine (like Dawnguard vampire attacks and unique Dragons). I have Dawnguard, Hearthfire and Dragonborn installed and also finished the Quest "Dragon Rising".

Does anyone have an idea what mods/mod conflicts could cause this or how I can find the cause myself? Deactivating mods to test it isn't that easy because it doesn't change anything in an old savegame.
I read every desription/readme and the mods should be compatible, but some of them have dirty edits. Should I just clean them?

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[chikawowwow]

^{Did you change the timescale for the game? Anything 5 or less will bug a lot of things out including dragon spawning.}

^{Go back into the game and type into the console:}

 

^{getglobalvalue timescale}

^&

^{getglobalvalue wiwaitdragon (should be 3/ meaning 3 hours must pass to spawn a dragon). This value ended up being 400 and something when I set the timescale to 5.}

[Kevin0904]

Thanks for your answer!

When I type "getglobalvalue timescale" I get "20" and when I type "getglobalvalue wiwaitdragon" I get "3".

I guess these are the default settings, right?

 

Any other ideas?

The cause is a probably a mod or conflicting mods, but it is really hard to find out which because I have to play the game until "Dragon Rising" to test if it worked, in my old savegame deactivating mods doesn't change the dragon problem.

Edited April 17, 2013 by Kevin0904

[chikawowwow]

Those settings are right, several other things I can suggest:

 

Do you have "A blade in the dark" quest active? This stops dragon spawns.

 

Console:

getglobalvalue dragonsreturned (should be 1)

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getglobalvalue winextdragon (this varies but if its something mad like 20-200 it could be your problem).

 

Make a save then console tmm 1 (to show all map markers) and set wiwaitdragon to 0 (to remove the wait timer), travel to Soljunds Sinkhole west of Rorikstead- go to the cliff and keep waiting for one hour at a time (the built in wait mechanic, not literally unless you want to) and see if anything happens after 24 hours. If there is still nothing do the above with a NEW game, console- set dragonsreturned to 1- then do the above and see if that yields anything.

 

As for your mods nothing jumps out for me and I doubt I could provide you with any insight with them, perhaps try moving this topic into the 'technical support' forum as it has the best chance of getting noticed by people who could help with that.

[Kevin0904]

Aigain, thanks for replying.

 

The quest "A blade in the dark" isn't active, I finished it, but there were also no dragon spawns before I did the quest.

When I type "getglobalvalue dragonsreturned" I get "1" and when I type "getglobalvalue winextdragon" I get "50.63". Not sure what the second one means.

 

I tried waiting in Soljunds Sinkhole with my old save and nothing happened. As for a new save - do I have to finish "Dragons Rising"? I tried skipping all the quests and finish it with the console, but that gives me weird glitches everywhere :D

[ZoMHead]

Do you fast travel?

 

I do not like to fast travel and rarely see dragons. When i need some souls or bones/scales i fast travel like made and get some dragon attacks.

[Kevin0904]

I normally don't, but I read somewhere that there spawn more if you do. I tried to fast travel to Riverwood, Falkreath and so on a lot but not one dragon.

 

Could the "getglobalvalue winextdragon 50.63" be the problem?

If not, I guess I have to ask in the technical support about the mods.

 

Edit: Started a new character and played until I finished "Dragons Rising". I did the same in Soljunds Sinkhole and nothing happened. Also, "getglobalvalue winextdragon" is "3.89" on the new character, which I assume is normal.

 

I'll try my luck in the technical section, but thanks to everyone for trying ;)

Edited April 17, 2013 by Kevin0904

[BrookH]

I'm having the same experience now - started a new, modded game and did not encounter a single random dragon attack until level 42. Then, just now, I encountered 4 in a row, back-to-back on the road from Glenmoril Coven to Karthspire. At one point there were 2 dragons at the same time! Weeiirrdd

[Dubnoman]

I had this problem before. What I determined was the issue for me was certain types of mods. If I installed a mod that changed the environments of Skyrim, for whatever reason, I'd get no random dragon attacks. If I put in a mod that did things like make it snow more or enhance the vegetation, I had this problem. Also, I had a mod that added smelters to all blacksmiths in Skyrim. For example, it added a smelter to the blacksmith in Riverwood. It changed the environment in some way (It was located on the grassy ground next to Alvor's workstation). That mod also gave me this problem, because once I uninstalled it, random dragon attacks happened soon afterward. On my current play through, I haven't had this problem, but I didn't install any kinds of mods I explained to you.

[Foina]

What about this one?

 

 

SkyMoMod Lore-Friendly Standard No Dragons.esp Active

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Edited September 3, 2013 by Foina