PureSnipe Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'm giving him a chance. And lets throw the war out of the question here. There's too many conspiracy theories about "oil is the reason" to name, and frankly, having spoken to someone that worked in the pentagon, which is our center of military operations, those theories are false. I can get you his name, even his position he worked it, which was high up, in a few days when I go back to class again. Thing is, have I said at all that I'm NOT giving him a chance? No, I'm criticizing the actions he has made, and those he has said he will make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katklaw Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Puresnipe Actually I was enjoying the Iraq part of the debate. We were just getting started :thumbsup: I actually edited out the give him a chance part :thumbsup: and I was looking at the Movie Wikinger904 has placed a link to. I will get back to you. Regards Katklaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureSnipe Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 As much as I'd like to sit and debate the Iraq war and its reasons, there's no point. We can speculate as to why we went in, but it won't change the fact that the American people were screaming "WAR" after 9/11, and we acted. Oil or no oil, we've gone in and, I believe, fixed the mistake we made in the first Gulf War. Leaving Saddam in power. WMDs or not, he threatened he had them, which was a violation of the agreement we made when we left him in power at the end of the first gulf war. Granted, there may have been ulterior motives to this conflict, since we as humans are unable to comprehend everything and know everything. One day these actions will be revealed to them in their fullest, and judgment will come. You want to hear my thoughts on what actually happened? Israel cried to us and asked us to take action on the WMD threats. As good of an ally Israel is to the US, they are almost like a clinging child ever since the UN granted them a province. Every piece of military hardware, save a few hair-brained ideas, came from the US. I personally think the conflict was largely put into force by the request of Israel. Now, apologies if that statement offends anyone, but that's just my view on things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t3hf4ll0ut Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Oh boy... In my opinion, if Obama happened to be white he would have not been elected. Don't get me wrong though. I respect everything Obama is trying to do, and what he will do, but half of the people who voted for him were mindless, low payed scumbags out there who support their "home boy" simply because he happens to be African American. But it's all cool... I never did care for the election this year. It just annoys me when all of the people are chanting "OBAMA!" yet they have NO idea what his purpose is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michlo Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Oh boy... In my opinion, if Obama happened to be white he would have not been elected. Don't get me wrong though. I respect everything Obama is trying to do, and what he will do, but half of the people who voted for him were mindless, low payed scumbags out there who support their "home boy" simply because he happens to be African American. But it's all cool... I never did care for the election this year. It just annoys me when all of the people are chanting "OBAMA!" yet they have NO idea what his purpose is. Hmm and you know this how exactly? Even many long time Republicans voted for him because he inspired them and / or our alternative would have been another nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureSnipe Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Oh boy... In my opinion, if Obama happened to be white he would have not been elected. Don't get me wrong though. I respect everything Obama is trying to do, and what he will do, but half of the people who voted for him were mindless, low payed scumbags out there who support their "home boy" simply because he happens to be African American. But it's all cool... I never did care for the election this year. It just annoys me when all of the people are chanting "OBAMA!" yet they have NO idea what his purpose is. Hmm and you know this how exactly? Even many long time Republicans voted for him because he inspired them and / or our alternative would have been another nightmare. I do happen to agree with you here Michlo. Him being black didn't do more than allow some of the bleeding-heart libs to be able to brand someone a racist that didn't agree with him. I do, however, believe that if the same things that were ignored about him were raised on a republican/conservative candidate, they would have received a lot more attention than they did. How many people went nuts when they found out Bush smoked pot? How much attention was it given when Obama admitted to using cocaine at close to the same age Bush used pot? And we say the media is unbiased................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exanimis Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 from an article in the Washington post "Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal first brought African Americans into the Democratic coalition in the 1930s, and Lyndon B. Johnson's 1960s support for civil rights legislation cemented their allegiance. In the subsequent four decades, Republicans have seen their presidential candidates win a dwindling share of the black vote. It hit bottom in 2000, when George W. Bush managed to garner just 8 percent of the votes of African Americans." The majority of African Americans vote democrat. That is a fact, like it or not, it is the truth. Whoever runs as the democratic candidate will get the majority of the black vote. Obama being black didn't hurt him in the black vote. If anyone thinks that the African Americans saw anything more than a black presidential candidate you are sadly mistaken. I'm not saying that African Americans can't or don't think for themselves but when everyone you know votes for a certain party, and the new candidate happens to be black..... I don't believe much thought or discussion of changing your affiliation was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureSnipe Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 WARNINGThere is some profanity in this clip. I'm sorry, couldn't find one that was censored.If you offended by explicit language or the harsh reality of why some people voted as they did, do not click the link below. If you aren't offended by previously stated things, click the link to hear the interview. Interview With Black Obama Supporters in Harlem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roquefort Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 PureSnipe wrote; "As good of an ally Israel is to the US..." But is Israel an ally of the US in the usual meaning of the word? Have they sent troops to Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else the US has ever been in combat? I honestly don't know. Surely Israel is better described as an informal protectorate of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmesaadimistrator Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm so sick and tired of this Obama messianic atittude. The man clearly lies to the american peoples face, he says want you want hear. But he does exactly the opposite of what he says. He said that the stimulus bill was earmark free. Yet their were Hundreds of millions spent on useless projects. He himself made an earmark that cost us millions and then had the audacity to take his signiture off the said earmark the day after the stimulus document was published. What this means is that his signiture will be removed from his earmark in future copies of the stimulus documents. :down: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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