Why I'm voting for Bush

[sixtofive]

unfortunately we can not achieve our current objective in iraq in full until we take on Iran. they are sending or sponsoring most of the resistance that is left there.

[Dew]

Iran has some issues with the kurds in the north. Lots of evidence points to them as being the ones who gassed the kurds, not hussein.

[Dinin]

What gets me mad is the fact that everybody says "we didn't find any mass weapons of destruction so that means there never were any." Do you have any idea on how easy it is to hide MWOD? People think that we're trying to look for huge silos of missles and nukes. Did it ever occur to you that we are also looking for MWOD in the form of a 3 inch biochemical vial, something that could be unnoticed cuz someone taped it under a chair? And in any case, the fact that we went in and got rid of Sadaam prevented him from using these MWOD. It's true that finding the weapons would prevent them from getting into enemy hands, but still, we stopped an evil man from eventually using them. Thats good enough for me. The families that have had men/women die fighting in iraq have my sympathies, but Bush's decision may have prevented something along the scale of 9/11, if not to the U.S., then another country.

[Zmid]

What gets me mad is the fact that everybody says "we didn't find any mass weapons of destruction so that means there never were any."

No, that is said because:

 

1) We haven't found any, despite the fact Iraq has been being searched for YEARS.

2) The people in Iraq doing the searching before the war said there was no evidence of any.

3) There was a s**t-load of WMD destroyed by UNSCOM and UNIMOVIC and some evidence that more was destroyed by Iraq.

4) The evidence saying there was WMD was and is weak, circumstantial, and, as we now know, in places, just plain wrong.

 

Do you have any idea on how easy it is to hide MWOD? People think that we're trying to look for huge silos of missles and nukes.

 

That's what we were told Iraq had - a large, organised and very active WMD programme that included ballistic missiles. Bush and Blair tried to shy away from these claims when evidence began to be brought to public view that suggested they were totally false.

 

Did it ever occur to you that we are also looking for MWOD in the form of a 3 inch biochemical vial, something that could be unnoticed cuz someone taped it under a chair?

 

And if it broke, everyone in the area would die. Kind of hard to hide that from UNSCOM and UNIMOVIC.

 

And in any case, the fact that we went in and got rid of Sadaam prevented him from using these MWOD. It's true that finding the weapons would prevent them from getting into enemy hands, but still, we stopped an evil man from eventually using them.

 

This assumes they existed. There is and was no hard evidence of this.

 

The families that have had men/women die fighting in iraq have my sympathies

 

They also have my sympathies - as do the families of the Iraqis killed as a result of the war.

 

but Bush's decision may have prevented something along the scale of 9/11, if not to the U.S., then another country.

 

The only problem with this statement being that the UN had sanctions and threats levelled against Iraq to contain Saddam - and it was working. Saddam was no threat to anybody bar his own countrymen. We should have gone in for that reason, but the simple fact of the matter is we didn't.

[Dark_Link2135]

What gets me mad is the fact that everybody says "we didn't find any mass weapons of destruction so that means there never were any." Do you have any idea on how easy it is to hide MWOD? People think that we're trying to look for huge silos of missles and nukes. Did it ever occur to you that we are also looking for MWOD in the form of a 3 inch biochemical vial, something that could be unnoticed cuz someone taped it under a chair? And in any case, the fact that we went in and got rid of Sadaam prevented him from using these MWOD. It's true that finding the weapons would prevent them from getting into enemy hands, but still, we stopped an evil man from eventually using them. Thats good enough for me. The families that have had men/women die fighting in iraq have my sympathies, but Bush's decision may have prevented something along the scale of 9/11, if not to the U.S., then another country.

ok, number one we have instruments that can detect extremely tiny radioactive emmisions. not to say this is proof, but it something was taped under a chair, we would know it.

 

however, you can block the radioactive emmisions from nuclear and biological weapons. very easy to do.

 

i agree with you, that there probably were womd, but not on a large of a scale as everyone thought pre-iraq, and for the first part of the war. your arguement was very weak, and i hate to criticize you since i agree with you onthe fact that they do exist, but you do have a rather weak arguement.

[Dinin]

Well ok, just to set everything straight, when i said taped under a chair i kinda used that as an example. Basically i meant it was like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

[ImmortalSnafu]

especially the coming-back Russia and the coming-up China and of course the new economic superpower EU

Russia has many years until it reenters superpower status. But I do agree that China and the EU will equal or even exceed the power of the USA within 50 years.

[Darnoc]

EU already has greater economical power than the USA. It is only a matter of time until it also has a greater military power, since the USA probably has to cut down their military in order to be able to pay back their debts.

 

China will be faster than 50 years, in probably only 15 years it will be the mightiest nation on earth. Mass still counts ;)

 

Russia is coming back, faster than some may think. Their military is still strong and they are recovering. When they unite with the EU, the union of EU and Russia will be stronger than the USA.

 

And don't forget Japan which is still strong economically. Let's see with whom Japan allies...

[Icefiddell]

Darnoc i agree with what you said but what do you mean lets see who with Japan allies, you talk as with there was going to be a huge war. I very much doubt that the EU, Russia and China will ever 'Ally' to attack the USA, i think you may have seen to many movies lol :P

 

About the WMD, the reason it is so important to find some and why keep referring to them especially over here (UK) is that is the reason we were told we were going to War. Blair told us (the British public) that we were going to War because Saddam had WMD. We were told that he had the capability of attacking us with missiles within around 20 minutes or something like that.

 

We never went over there to free a people or to throw down a dictator and in my oppinion Blair and Bush never did it to get WMD either but to control the countries oil is the main reason.

 

Not long ago i one or two of you mentioned taking on Iran, well you'll be doing it alone, because we (the UK) aren't going to invade it with you. You people wonder why terrorists pick you, it is because you seem to want to take on the whole Muslim world. Think about it what after Iran, what after that, where will you go from their because it wont stop.

 

They'll always be terrorists and the way America is tackling these situation it will only breed more people like them, the West is practically making the Muslims hate us, to invade Iran would only make things worse.

[surian]

If you take out Iran then you have to take out pakistan and syria and lets not forget Saudi Arabia, they're a huge harborer of terrorists. But if you take those on youll have to deal with other countries that are allies with those nations who might not actively be after us now but after extending our reach will be more than happy to start supporting terrorists.

 

Then we'll take those nations out and spread out even further. Eventually you'll get to a point where we either take out every country in the world or someone finally stands up against us. Iraq itself almost got us to that point.