Rights, Freedoms and Safety in today's United States

[Lisnpuppy]

 

Why do you try to set a debate barrier especialy when it hits the point of "rights"? I mean, do you realize that the boston bombings are just one facet, one case, one pretense to take rights away with the excuse to make "people safe". The list goes on and on and way more then a bombing on a public event. I don't see whats the purpose should be by setting up a barrier to every issue that affect rights further then the bombing.

 

Also I find your post (as I am a woman) to be offensive to say the least.

So if you see this as a personal issue say so and don't assert i wouldn't stay on topic.

 

Ofcourse you are offended, women are always offended. Being offended is in modern days america mightier then truth of facts. Feelings are more important are facts. You just approved what i said, thanks.

I am offended because you say things like women "won't get their hands dirty" and that we "spend money on useless junk". That is offensive. And I set the perimeters of this debate as can anyone. Its to keep it on the topic I was interested in...not on every single possible right and freedom in the perceived universe.

[Boaresa]

 

Women and men vote equally on taxation and welfare. You talk about taxation as a bad thing, which is generally an immature way to look at it.

 

"immature" is a relative term based on your cultural background. In america, the people murdered tax collector, people teared and feathered them, people hung them. These people where tough as nails and aggressiv as rattlesnakes. From your background, taxation is something you can't avoid, so you make being the victim of government theft a nobility, because you can't resist. Its a general trend in the western world, that being the victim is the moral high ground, and society would help most likely the underdog.

But thats just the psychological state of a woman, or a child, that someone else should help them, wich are usualy men who work or men who bear arms.

 

As for you last "point": women build, women hunt, women drive, women own and carry weapons. What exactly is your point..?

Usualy you ain't allowed to do just one of those things without promission of the government. I think i explained the point already, when you see that things that women demand become rights, and things that men do become licensed privileges.

[Lisnpuppy]

"But thats just the psychological state of a woman, or a child, that someone else should help them, wich are usualy men who work or men who bear arms."

 

WHAT?

[Zaldir]

Well, you just proved my point about your views being ancient.

 

"the people murdered tax collector, people teared and feathered them, people hung them."

- Why are you bringing that up? Does the murdering of tax collectors in a time when people didn't know better than to think that taxes were bad make taxes bad? I think not.

 

"From your background, taxation is something you can't avoid"

- No, it is not something I can't avoid. It is something I don't want to avoid. Taxation makes life better for the general public (if done right).

 

"But thats just the psychological state of a woman, or a child, that someone else should help them, wich are usualy men who work or men who bear arms."

- Usually, both men and women work and bear arms.

 

 

Which era do you live in..? Your points are dated by decades, or even centuries.

[Boaresa]

WHAT?

 

Do you wanna make a point or should i write it in a different way?

 

By the way. "Every right and Freedom" in the universe, you can count on one hand. But also, your topics are ofcourse more important than other things, even if they are the very base of it, are put behind your interestes. Thanks again for demonstration.

 

@Zaldir

"- Why are you bringing that up? Does the murdering of tax collectors in a time when people didn't know better than to think that taxes were bad make taxes bad? I think not."

 

I bringt that up because it showes the reaction of people on actions wich affect them very physical. The Tax Collector comes to your home and demands money from you, money which you worked for and not him. Otherwise, he would call the guards and put you in jail. And then he even dares to tell you, it would be for the good of all of us. And the king loves you so love the king and so on. Normal men react to such behavior very frustrated and at some point, they will react very violent and cruel.

 

"- No, it is not something I can't avoid. It is something I don't want to avoid. Taxation makes life better for the general public (if done right)."

 

You can't avoid paying taxes otherwise they confiscate your bank account the police would show up and put you in jail. You just repeat what i already described, the need to paint your state of victimhood as nobility. Its the same psychological reaction to a survival situation as the sockholm syndrom. No, you don't make things better for the general public because they also have to pay those taxes faceing the threat of jail.

 

"- Usually, both men and women work and bear arms."

I wish it would be that way, but it isn't.

Edited April 30, 2013 by Boaresa

[Lisnpuppy]

If you want to make a topic go on and do so. There are tons of topics in this forum and I am not making you or anyone else reply to them. In fact you have successfully hijacked this topic. Good for you.

 

And let me be more clear....you are saying that a woman has the same psychological state as a child and expects that everyone should do the things they want and for them only? Go ahead....write it a different way.

[Boaresa]

In fact you have successfully hijacked this topic.

No. But you tried to limit the debate about rights and freedom to reations of the boston bombing. The restriction of rights but is very little in terrorism issues compared to our daily lifes, where we mostly face economical and idividual registrictions based on a very similar explanation, but for different reasons. Again, you wanna define the debate and react threatining when it leaves the ground you felt secured on.

[Lisnpuppy]

Yes I did limit it and that is ok to do. A debate topic is defined by the person that brings it up and sets the perimeters of it. Like any debate...it has structure.

 

I also feel plenty secure. You however are using this debate to not just discuss what you see as a difference in the rights of men and women (which again is NOT this debate..go make your own) but to make offensive remarks regarding women in general. So far you have said they have the psychological state of a child and inferred it was below a man, that we can not manage money and won't do out own dirty work. That about right?

[Boaresa]

When the "Democracy index" was linked before, that lists a nonsense term of "female rights" as criterion, you called it a "Interesting bit of stuff", while now you wanna exclude that as not related. Also, when you call this a debate about rights, you can't even accept that this is an issue of rights and categorize between different kind of "rights", which don't exist, because thats the matter with rights otherwise they would privileges.

 

You being offended, but i just tell the facts. A debate isn't a popularity contest or a way for self exposer, but should be about getting a objectiv picture based on the facts.

[Lisnpuppy]

*laughs*

Yes I called it interesting but you will note I did not address it further, thus I stayed on topic.

 

Facts? Really? So its a fact that I can not manage money, or work for my living and to support myself? That I have the mentality of a child or that I find even the least little joke to be offensive? Those are objective facts?

 

edit: I would like to say I called the entire list of things interesting not just the female rights.