Rights, Freedoms and Safety in today's United States

[Boaresa]

Facts? Really? So its a fact that I can not manage money, or work for my living and to support myself?

Did i say Lisnpuppy can't manage her money? I said 70% of the worlds consumer spending is done by women, according to bloomberg, and even higher in the western world by percent. Also, the majority of commercial addresses women, most of the products are maid for women, and most of these things have no real use.

 

That I have the mentality of a child or that I find even the least little joke to be offensive?

Children and Women look out for someone who solves their problems. Usualy children have no other way to expres their frustration then crying while women look for someone they can demand stuff from or manipulate into taking care of their needs. Women are often more likely to vote for a gun ban campaing for example, because they think it protects them from guns, instead of buying a gun and protect themself from crime. I'am not saying every women is that way, i tell the statistics numbers and believe me, i realy would be happy to see a change in that and i don't have some personal women bashing issue her.

 

Also, you continuing using the term "female rights" when there isn't such a thing as special rights for women, just privileges and benifits and handouts which are mostly a extra burden for men.

Edited April 30, 2013 by Boaresa

[Lisnpuppy]

your quote:

"They don't get less they just spend more for useless junk and than blame everyone else for it."

 

The only time I have used the term female rights is in reference to your post....I haven't used it at all nor have I spoken of women's rights.

 

Your quote:

"Children and Women look out for someone who solves their problems. Usualy children have no other way to expres their frustration then crying while women look for someone they can demand stuff from or manipulate into taking care of their needs"

 

First..use the spell checker. Second....I am not sure how much more offensive you can get. That my good sir, is an opinion and not even close to fact. It may even be your experience and I am sorry for whatever woman may have hurt you. But we are by no means cut from the same cloth and you demean yourself by thinking so.

 

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I have requested this topic be closed as it is not longer even the least bit on topic. I also apologize for engaging in this and making it more so.

[Boaresa]

You tried from the beginning to make this an personal issue, compareing everything to yourself, and feeling offended. And sadly, this is typical.

 

The only time I have used the term female rights is in reference to your post....I haven't used it at all nor have I spoken of women's rights.

Then your beef in this thing is totaly personal, because you felt offended.

 

Second....I am not sure how much more offensive you can get.

I'am not standing in the park on a crate express my virgin mary syndrom to the world by screaming "All women are cunts and evil", i like to stick with the facts.

 

That my good sir, is an opinion and not even close to fact.

I already mentioned sources, did you look them up?

 

It may even be your experience and I am sorry for whatever woman may have hurt you.

I'am not the one refering personal issues to the topic, i'am not a gloria steinem, kate millet, andrea dowkin or other gender specific activist who became that way because my attetiute is "My dad is somestuff, so all men are somestuff" or because of some broken up relationship issues. I don't have a problem with women, i have a problem with those men who got manipulated and influenced by women to act against their own and my interestes based on non-rational reasons.

You saw it already for yourself when people noble their state of victimhood and make it so worse for me, because the nobility of victimhood demands from me, that i have to be also a victim. This includes violence against myself and my property.

 

Also, still no one refers to the things i mentioned about how natural rights became privileges, but everyone goes on the women issue.

Edited April 30, 2013 by Boaresa

[Zaldir]

Boaresa, the problem is that you are generalizing women a bit too much.

 

You look at the "top" women in the Women's Rights Movement, and put every woman, or at least most women, in the same boat as them. That is where you are mistaken. Yes, the women's Rights Movement in the US have gone too far, and have lost track of the initial goal, which was to get equal rights for women as for men. But women in general, are not those tops, or leaders, of the women's Rights Movement.

 

Generally, women are equal to men when it comes to just about everything you have pointed out. They have the same capabilities to do what men can do, and they have every right to do what men do (with the exception for certain physical things, but that goes both ways). You may not agree to that, but in that case, we must simply agree to disagree, as I doubt there is anything I can say to change your view, and there is definitely not anything you can say to change my view on the matter. I guess the same goes for taxation, we disagree - I think it is a wonderful thing (again, when done right!).

 

Women in general do not "look out for someone to solve their problems" - they solve their problems themselves, to the same degree as men solve their problems themselves. Yes, there was a time when this was not true, but that is not now, that is the past - and the past is for learning from, not to replicate. And the human race learned that women are not weak, or even weaker than men, as was thought before, so things changed.

 

 

Now, I will not argue anything here, as this thread is not for that topic, so I will take my leave. Lis, sorry for derailing your thread.

[Boaresa]

"You look at the "top" women in the Women's Rights Movement, and put every woman, or at least most women, in the same boat as them. That is where you are mistaken. Yes, the women's Rights Movement in the US have gone too far, and have lost track of the initial goal, which was to get equal rights for women as for men. But women in general, are not those tops, or leaders, of the women's Rights Movement."

 

Ofcourse they are not. To claim that women had started the "womens rights movement" is to claim that a Chicken would have founded KFC. The things it reached is that women are nearly forced to work, treat mothers as ideological enemies, double the costs of living and got more working force to absorbe for corporations and government. Also, government can tax every Job that was done before by women and mothers, such as child care. I thought long about why women still buy into this Female rights issue, which clearly is about special rights and entitlements for them and not about equality, and still demand more of it. Meanwhile i think its because of the evolutionary dependent selfishness of women. But psychology is still a very young science and to research things like typical Lilith-complex related narcistic behavior of women in a early state.

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Generally, women are equal to men when it comes to just about everything you have pointed out. They have the same capabilities to do what men can do, and they have every right to do what men do (with the exception for certain physical things, but that goes both ways).

 

Lets start with extrem examples: Women are lousy firefighters, police officers and soldiers. They never reach the physical needs for these jobs and relie on quotes set by the government. Also, you hardly find women among industrial workers, oil industry, construction or any jobs who base on physical requirements or based on complex mathematic requirements like the IT industry. You do find women mainly in fields like education, psychology, art, dance and government services and other jobs where its mainly about making paper dirty. Also, when they have the same capabilities, why do we have seperated sporting events and leagues for them? Even if it just about driving a race car.

 

I know exactly one women who became a car mechanic and no one could hire here because government regulations required that this enterprise would need sepereated bathrooms and showers and a locker room for her. Government regulations demanded by women. Female rights decelerate realy strong women who don't need special treatment.

Women don't like most jobs anyway, they don't like the corporate enviorment and most women who get children don't return in the job market. But still, they demand Jobs, nice jobs in an office enviorment so government provides these unproductive jobs at government services. Or at least they become secretary of a narcistic boss and rather please his needs than those of her family, if they even have one. Where you ever at a government service bureau? Its mostly women. Should i conntinue with "Things invented by women..." ? Wouldn't be much effort, i can tell you.

 

But this whole thing isn't even about the job market so much. Its in every facet of our life.

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I guess the same goes for taxation, we disagree - I think it is a wonderful thing (again, when done right!).

 

You can't tax someone right the same way you can abuse a child right. Taxation is to take under the threat of violence and a violation of property rights. But you imply, that government would spend it on some noble causes which is exactly the "someone else should solve my problems" mentality i described. Calling this practice is so far from me as the earth from jupiter.

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Women in general do not "look out for someone to solve their problems" - they solve their problems themselves, to the same degree as men solve their problems themselves.

 

They demand help from the government as well because meanwhile they were raised by a major influence of women and growing government. Even you demand "right" taxation for the problems of society, than solve them yourself. And also you apologize for 'derailing' a thread about rights and freedom where we actualy have a conversation about rights and freedom, except that the author, a woman, doesn't agree with.

 

 

Still, no one sees an issue in the restriction in basic human activities by the government as a lost freedom but goes on the women issue, who still demand special treatment. The biggest trend in the western would put a blind spot on because its not .... comfortable...

Edited April 30, 2013 by Boaresa

[TheVampireDante]

I'am not standing in the park on a crate express my virgin mary syndrom to the world by screaming "All women are cunts and evil", i like to stick with the facts.

 

No, your doing it here and completely wasting people times with your obviously skewed view on women and the world in relation to them.

 

I think we've heard enough from you, and unfortunately that means the closure of this topic as you've turned it into the very soapbox you deny using.