Insisting on Lore, your Mod is too weird for TES

[xiphus]

Part of what has kept me interested in Skyrim since it came out is the lore and natural tone of the game. I can read all the books and talk to all the NPCs and get a little bit more every time but that's just the way I play it. Playing with weird not lore-friendly mods removes a little of what I love in the game.

I do admit I've installed a few things to go crazy when rampaging with a wabbajack just didn't get the urge out of my system. I have no problem with people making weird mods, either. I just don't use them permanently and don't play with them in my game.

[Burdella]

I just ignore all mods that break the lore because I bought Skyrim to play Skyrim, and not some crazy mix of anime, random games and Internet memes that I believe might be supposed to be funny. Probably. Maybe. I have no idea, whenever I see these mods the only thing I feel is a tiny sting of disappointment because meh, I'd rather see something I could actually use. But that's just selfishness at its finest.

[AxlRocks]

If it's a serious mod, set in Skyrim or the TES universe, I think it's entirely valid and acceptable to offer suggestions on how to make it lore friendly or ask for a lore friendly change. In a nice way. Maybe the author even wants to be lore friendly, just missed one detail, and someone's suggestion fixed that one lore issue. There's so much lore, it's super easy to miss something.

 

But if the author is being hassled over it, flamed, so on and so forth, no, those people need to shut up and probably be banned. There's no reason to be demanding the author change something for you. It is to note though, that hassled doesn't mean multiple people asking nicely and the author is annoyed. Yeah, I totally understand how it's annoying getting requests for something over and over, (even though I don't have mods up on Nexus for Skyrim, my biggest annoyance is seeing people ask for everything in a different color, like clothing/armor etc.) but if they're asking nicely, they're not intending to hassle you over it. Don't take it out on them and be a complete jerk over it.

 

However, if people are still asking blindly for something, despite a huge notice you have on the main mod page, then that's ridiculous. If they at least acknowledge that you have that notice, and say something like, "I like the mod, blahblahblah, kinda hope you reconsider doing (whatever thing people want that you don't want to do) sometime, but still enjoy the mod, good work." That's a nice way to say it, and I don't think that should be taken offensively, despite your notice.

 

Lastly, if the mod is aiming to be silly, I don't even know why anyone is upset over lore. Seriously, lore is totally unappicable to silly mods. Silly mods are just for fun, and one way to actually make it funny/silly may be to break lore intentionally. Nothing wrong with that. People shouldn't even be asking, at all, for something that fits lore on a silly mod/just for fun mod/mod that intentionally breaks lore.

 

On a side note, I respect both sides of this, but what is up with the scenario when multiple people do ask very politely to change something, or they simply suggest it, still say good work on your mod, etc, (I know, this is rare to not just see flames, but the point is.) and it's a simple name change in the CK, and the author gets all whiney and won't do it? I mean lore wise, and I'm not meaning huge changes like editing an entire cave system or 20 NPC's, so on. To me, if the change is that simple, especially if said mod is now complete, why not just make an optional version for people? I think it just makes everyone happy, the people who like the lore and will be using your lore friendly version, and you as the author as well, since you no longer are annoyed at having people asking you for the minor change. I don't mean offense, but it's just something to think about that I personally don't find that big a deal.

[bben46]

lore is totally unappicable to silly mods. Silly mods are just for fun,

And I though all mods were just for fun - why else use mods at all if not to make your game more fun? :P Different players have different ideas of what is (and is not) fun.

 

If a mod is not fun for you, then just don't use it - that doesn't mean it's not fun for someone else.

Use whatever mods YOU want. Ignore (or ridicule) the lore mongering trolls. They are not playing your game, and you are not playing theirs. That's the way it's supposed to work. :thumbsup:

 

For the rabid lore mongers - how does your 'lore' justify Beth changing the sex of Shadowmere from one game to another? Especially since the loremongers made such a big deal out of the "LORE" saying Shadowmere is a mare when an Oblivion modder wanted to make her/him a stallion? :whistling:

 

How do I justify it? I don't - It's just not worth obsessing about. It's irrelevant, immaterial and probably doesn't even matter. :cool:

[AxlRocks]

 

lore is totally unappicable to silly mods. Silly mods are just for fun,

And I though all mods were just for fun - why else use mods at all if not to make your game more fun? :P Different players have different ideas of what is (and is not) fun.

 

If a mod is not fun for you, then just don't use it - that doesn't mean it's not fun for someone else.

Use whatever mods YOU want. Ignore (or ridicule) the lore mongering trolls. They are not playing your game, and you are not playing theirs. That's the way it's supposed to work. :thumbsup:

 

For the rabid lore mongers - how does your 'lore' justify Beth changing the sex of Shadowmere from one game to another? Especially since the loremongers made such a big deal out of the "LORE" saying Shadowmere is a mare when an Oblivion modder wanted to make her/him a stallion? :whistling:

 

How do I justify it? I don't - It's just not worth obsessing about. It's irrelevant, immaterial and probably doesn't even matter. :cool:

Bethesda changing the sex of Shadowmere or doing anything like that is perfectly acceptable to me. Strange if said changes are not explained, but still, they're the ones in charge of the lore. If you're a person who enjoys reading and your favorite author changes something, major or minor in detail alike, in a sequel to their book, is it wrong? I don't feel so, although considering some people think Bethesda doing anything is wrong, I'm sure some feel it's wrong for the author to change their creation in general. But ultimately, as the end consumer, it's up to you to decide which you believe and your choice is valid either way, but it's just not up to a third party, especially one so loosely involved with the development of the game, or whatever we're talking about, to decide on lore, for my tastes, I'm saying. I mean, yeah, they're allowed to believe either way, or make up their own lore even, but just for me personally, I want to go with the lore set up by Bethesda.

 

But like I already said, even if you don't like it, just don't complain about it. Obviously, a mod which makes an outright lore change like changing Shadowmere's sex, you aren't going to suggest a change. That's the mod's main purpose, if it were a mod which adds something to else to Shadowmere but changes the sex, I don't see a problem with suggesting a lore friendly change. It's just a matter of being smart and nice, and that goes both ways. Legitimate users don't need to be "ridiculed" because an author just dismisses them instantly as a troll, like the 25 other jerks who actually were, instead of hearing them out, and we all just side with the mod author on it instantly. Both sides have valid users. But yeah, I agree modding should be for fun however you want it, which is exactly why I'm saying user suggestions etc aren't a bad thing. It's the whiners and complainers that are, and they ruin it for mod users as much as mod authors really. And by fun with silly mods, I meant fun as in funny, not serious, etc. Other mods can be fun, as in enjoyable, but still serious. Suppose I should've clarified that, but it all meshes together I guess really. Anyway.

[EnaiSiaion]

People criticize lore-unfriendly mods if they're a fervent fan of Skyrim. They subconsciously think that the silly mod is going to affect them somehow, even though it won't unless they install it.

And there's a deeper fear that the Nexus is eventually going to *just* be silly and/or anime stuff, which scares the more hardcore players.

 

Nah, it will be hard for the silly stuff to overtake the HD CHEESE WHEEL TEXTURE NORMAL MAPS REALISM OVERHAUL mods.

 

Just because you're not going to download them, don't try and get them removed or flame the modmaker please.

[imperistan]

I figure a lot of the issues people have with non-lore-friendly mods is that it isn't obvious nor relatively simple to use the tag system properly.

 

If the sites actually explained the tag system more simply (it really doesn't. For instance first time I tried using it I thought that you selected the tags you wanted to see, not the tags you didn't want to see) and made it so it wasn't hidden in murky waters in a dank cavern at the bottom of the sea (exaggeration) then people would start using it more and then they wouldn't have any issues with such mods because they wouldn't see them.

 

I for instance never see any of the "silly" mods (its what I call them, and its not meant to be disrespectful. But seriously, mods like the MLP mods are kind of silly. You can't tell me they're serious business when its brightly colored, physics defying, big-head ponies. I also throw the anime inspired stuff in with the silly moniker just because compared to how I like my game to look and play out, anime stuff looks ridiculous)

 

 

And besides that, more often than not, its the silly mods that make it to the top of the endorsement rankings. So if someone isn't using the tag system and they're trying to find the best lore-friendly mods, then I can't blame them for getting exasperated if they have to go through several pages before the silly mods stop being so common place.

Edited May 5, 2013 by imperistan

[mewmew34]

I don't tend to go for mods that are lore-unfriendly, but I don't care if other people do them. The way I look at it, each person's copy of Skyrim is an alternate universe. Nearly identical to each other, but they have their differences. The mods are those differences, along with the Dragonborn being different in every universe. Characters that have the same name in any given universe may still be different from each other based on the player's head-canon. My Angrenor Once-Honored is different from all others, because my main character married him and I have my little head-canon going about how they got together and why he was so willing to accept an Argonian as a wife despite being a Nord who wasn't happy with non-Nords.

 

I think people need to try and look at it that way more often. Mods are "lore friendly" for the individual player because their universe is going to have slightly different lore than all the others.

[StayFrosty05]

It all just depends on what YOU want for YOUR Game....Some people want Realism, some people want Lore, some people want Hilarity, some people want Beauty,.....it doesn't matter. The beauty of it is it's a single player game and we can each have our games as we want them.

 

The highest majority of the people in the Modding Forum really are awesome people, they do this for free and in their own time. They do not have to share what they make, they choose to share what they make and they make what appeals to them...If you share their view in what appeals then you use their Mod....Thank them and ENDORSE them too by the way.....show them you appreciate what they have created, it's just the simple click of a button.....If you don't like a Mod for any reason, you don't share their view, then just move on, there's no need to comment, it doesn't effect your world in any way, shape or form....so why comment?

 

Me, I like Realism, Challenge and Beauty, the Mods I choose to use reflect this....Others want Lore and their Mod use reflects that...And others want toonish, cute, funny, silly, whatever and their Mod use reflects that....How is one persons preference effecting another's?...It does not.

[mellophonist]

Going back to the OP (I don't really want to read through all this debate although from what I've read both sides have valid arguments) I will agree with you on the fact that it is horrible that even among a community of gamers, the nerdiest of the nerds, we can still find examples of bullying. HOWEVER, you can't have a biased opinion on this subject, as a gamer that has seen one to many games modding communities go down the anime abyss of pervyness. Most modders will agree with me that it is happening with Skyrim as well, skimpy armors, weapon packs from anime series, etc. The Skyrim Nexus, imo, is a place to build on the Skyrim lore, not degrade it.

 

Now keep in mind that I am not a Lore maniac. I do believe modding should stay in the bounds of the lore but I will never bash, insult, or deprecate another s work. I do believe, however, that there are other means of uploading their content to share with others, (Just Google the Asian modding community you'll see what I mean) its just not here on the Nexus.

 

Again, this is a very thin line were walking on in this thread. People's opinions especially on the internet, are much more then opinions they're an extension of themselves. Just keep that in mind when you think about lore keepers and lore breakers.