Pevey Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Hmm, that is mind blowing. Early after Skyrim's release, I would have expected these weird driver issues, but not now. I roll with two 680s, which AFAIK is the approx the same as a 690, right? What driver version are you using? 314.22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prod80 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 that's nuts... I heard a lot about Skyrim and Crossfire giving issues for some people, but youre the first with SLI (what a 690 basically is) that I encountered here. not good Bethesda, not good :blink: try other drivers as said...maybe Havok is getting mixed up with 2 GPU's on 1 PCB? Perhaps you can configure one GPU for the physics and use the other for rendering? Not sure if Skyrim will accept that tho. One GPU core is more than enough to run everything smooth as silk on that card tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pevey Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Yeah, that's true, prod80. I had to RMA one of my cards a while back, and though I hate to admit it, I couldn't tell the difference. Wasted money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darviela Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) <p>well the best person to compare with would be somebody else who also has a 690 and plays skyrim. </p><p> </p><p>I have spent pretty much this entire day doing research on this and crawling forums/blogs/etc looking for answers. Even with the game set to only use 1 gpu i still get CTDs after several room changes.<br /><br /><br />I have the latest driver, NOT beta. The latest stable driver. I can run games like Metro Last Light on max settings just fine. So I doubt its my card being bad.</p><p> </p><p>The whole reason I uninstalled skyrim in the first place was because after installing my 690 skyrim was no longer functioning. everything was black and pink with loads of CTDs. </p> Edited May 22, 2013 by Darviela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prod80 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Can you try something and run the game in windowed mode?Maybe we can work around it... Anyway I go to bed now, it's late :P Ill give it some thought as well and see if I can help to find a solution.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darviela Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 Can you try something and run the game in windowed mode?Maybe we can work around it... Anyway I go to bed now, it's late :P Ill give it some thought as well and see if I can help to find a solution....Windowed mode is something I have already tried. Atm I have it running in windowed mode with forced single core gpu. I haven't been able to get it to play well at higher resolutions than what I currently have it at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prod80 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Man, been searching for about 1.5 hour and other than games sometimes being unstable using SLI ( old news ) there's not much to find. Some solutions for GTX580 SLI are there, but because those are mostly driver based are not helping you much. I have however read an article on Tombraider where someone was experiencing the same CTD on GTX690 where the solution was to turn off Tessellation in the drivers for that game to make it stable. Now sure, Skyrim looks like DX9 but it still uses DX11 for some features, yet DX11 only features ( like Tessellation ) are not used. So that got me thinking... How about you setup a Skyrim profile in the drivers in which you completely disable every feature that is DX11 but not used by Skyrim? As far as I could research it, the PC version of Skyrim is only using the DX11 shaders, not the other features - so by all means, it's more or less an optimized DX9 game. Your problem is obviously driver related ( compatibility between the 2 ) so perhaps by tweaking those settings it can be stable. Honestly, I have no idea what the crashes are related to, other than driver issues.... but you say that you have tried all compatible forceware drivers already. Other than that, perhaps some Windows features are causing problem in the background... Windows 7 had some major issues with Nvidia drivers, more specifically the AERO function on Windows... users did report that setting AERO from Best Appearance to Best Performance resolved the drivers crashing. You can try it, but I honestly dont think it's related. While you're at that, also right-click on the TESV.exe and tick these boxes in compatibility "Disable Visual Themes" & "Disable Desktop Composition" ... Those have seemed to resolve some various issues running Skyrim in Fullscreen mode in the past. When I come up with more, ill post it... Edit: I came up with more from another topic related to NMM duplicating the Skyrim.esm in plugins.txt located here: %userprofile%\AppData\local\SkyrimWhen this file is duplicated it starts to spam errors which may (or may not) pop up in your screen. Anyway this is causing CTD even on vanilla Skyrim. You could try and open up that file to check, officially there shouldnt be a Skyrim.esm in that file, but when there is 1 instance there, it's ok... with 2 problems start to arrise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darviela Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 Man, been searching for about 1.5 hour and other than games sometimes being unstable using SLI ( old news ) there's not much to find. Some solutions for GTX580 SLI are there, but because those are mostly driver based are not helping you much. I have however read an article on Tombraider where someone was experiencing the same CTD on GTX690 where the solution was to turn off Tessellation in the drivers for that game to make it stable. Now sure, Skyrim looks like DX9 but it still uses DX11 for some features, yet DX11 only features ( like Tessellation ) are not used. So that got me thinking... How about you setup a Skyrim profile in the drivers in which you completely disable every feature that is DX11 but not used by Skyrim? As far as I could research it, the PC version of Skyrim is only using the DX11 shaders, not the other features - so by all means, it's more or less an optimized DX9 game. Your problem is obviously driver related ( compatibility between the 2 ) so perhaps by tweaking those settings it can be stable. Honestly, I have no idea what the crashes are related to, other than driver issues.... but you say that you have tried all compatible forceware drivers already. Other than that, perhaps some Windows features are causing problem in the background... Windows 7 had some major issues with Nvidia drivers, more specifically the AERO function on Windows... users did report that setting AERO from Best Appearance to Best Performance resolved the drivers crashing. You can try it, but I honestly dont think it's related. While you're at that, also right-click on the TESV.exe and tick these boxes in compatibility "Disable Visual Themes" & "Disable Desktop Composition" ... Those have seemed to resolve some various issues running Skyrim in Fullscreen mode in the past. When I come up with more, ill post it... Edit: I came up with more from another topic related to NMM duplicating the Skyrim.esm in plugins.txt located here: %userprofile%\AppData\local\SkyrimWhen this file is duplicated it starts to spam errors which may (or may not) pop up in your screen. Anyway this is causing CTD even on vanilla Skyrim. You could try and open up that file to check, officially there shouldnt be a Skyrim.esm in that file, but when there is 1 instance there, it's ok... with 2 problems start to arrise.I have tried with ALL themes disabled and just using "set for performance". The same problems arise at the same frequency. So I think we can rule that out. You have a good idea with checking the Nvidia settings. I will look into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darviela Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 Update: I tried tweaking the settings. Still no difference. This game WILL NOT run in full screen or high resolutions for very long no matter what I do. Refresher of Things ruled out -It's Not The Game Files (I have fresh installed/Validated etc 3 times now)It's Not The ini Files (I have tried defaults on all of them)It's Not The Mods or Plugins ( I have tried fresh saves with no plugins of any kinds)It's Not The Video Card (I can run Metro Last Light on MAX settings with NO Lag) Keep in mind this problem occurred when I first installed my Video Card a year ago. Which was the original reason for me uninstalling the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelthad Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 i'd like to thank everyone who contributed to this, including the person who posted it. for the entire day i have been trying to figure out why i was having almost this exact issue and was starting to consider a total reinstall and new game but thanks to this i learned i just had too many textures on, sparing me from going through that nightmarish ordeal a second time. just so everyone knows it turns out too many textures can also cause building reference info errors in TESV edit so if you start getting long sections of error lines when checking your mod load order, even if it's just for one or two mods in there, but the process finishes saying successful/ finished then disable some/all of your textures and start experimenting to find the right balance between aesthetics and being able to actually play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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