Xbox Reveal

[AceShooter001]

I cannot believe you all are going to judge the Xbox One just on the Presentation at E3. Yes, they did horribly with explaining it at E3 but I am not going to judge on just that! I plan on getting the Xbox One in the future... When they come out with some games that I like on the console. (None of the games at E3 impressed me, Guess I have picky tastes?)

I know they already dropped the DRMs on the console so that is good. The price is up there because of the Blu-Ray player. If I remember right, Sony holds rights to the Blu-Ray patents so that complicates things.

 

Things I think Microsoft should also drop:

 

1. The Blu-Ray player for an HD DVD player

2. The Kinect

3. TV Support

4. Social Network Support

 

Imagine the price cut on the Xbox One if they decide to do as mentioned. The price would be... Minus $75 from the Kinect, minus a possible $100 for the TV support, cannot find the price of what it would cost for social network support, minus the average price for the Blu-Ray player which could be $80 and subtract from the price tag that is $500 and the result could be...250 to 300 or so US Dollars as an estimate. That would put Microsoft in good hands. Please know this is what I think.

I know that both companies have their faults and I have never sworn to be loyal to them either. Yes the new guy in charge could mean trouble for the console but we need to think positively and see what happens. Until then, I will stay with the Xbox 360 and PS3 thank you.

 

P.S.: If you can help me with the estimate that would be greatly appreciated. Anyone is welcome to try and make it more accurate.

[hoofhearted4]

wait. you mean HD DVD, the format that is obsolete due to Blu Ray? yes Xbone should put that in. that would only further their demise.

 

and Kinect is one of the only good things about the Xbone. if they dropped that theyd lose one of the biggest things they have going for them

 

lastly the reason them dropping the DRMs means nothing to us, is because weve all seen stuff like this before. a company "drops" it only to either A) leaving something similar in but in different words, or B) impliments it back in later. its something i think most of us expect Microsoft to do.

[Rennn]

I cannot believe you all are going to judge the Xbox One just on the Presentation at E3. Yes, they did horribly with explaining it at E3 but I am not going to judge on just that! I plan on getting the Xbox One in the future... When they come out with some games that I like on the console. (None of the games at E3 impressed me, Guess I have picky tastes?)

I know they already dropped the DRMs on the console so that is good. The price is up there because of the Blu-Ray player. If I remember right, Sony holds rights to the Blu-Ray patents so that complicates things.

 

Things I think Microsoft should also drop:

 

1. The Blu-Ray player for an HD DVD player

2. The Kinect

3. TV Support

4. Social Network Support

 

Imagine the price cut on the Xbox One if they decide to do as mentioned. The price would be... Minus $75 from the Kinect, minus a possible $100 for the TV support, cannot find the price of what it would cost for social network support, minus the average price for the Blu-Ray player which could be $80 and subtract from the price tag that is $500 and the result could be...250 to 300 or so US Dollars as an estimate. That would put Microsoft in good hands. Please know this is what I think.

I know that both companies have their faults and I have never sworn to be loyal to them either. Yes the new guy in charge could mean trouble for the console but we need to think positively and see what happens. Until then, I will stay with the Xbox 360 and PS3 thank you.

 

P.S.: If you can help me with the estimate that would be greatly appreciated. Anyone is welcome to try and make it more accurate.

 

1. That'd make them more obsolete. They need to stick with blu-ray, or it'll cause more problems with having to install games to the HDD and using way too much space per game for the Xbox One's comparatively small HDD.

2. Yes, they should drop it. I agree. It's bloating the cost for no good reason.

3. Drop TV support. Yep. Pointless for a gaming console. That might annoy all 3 of the people in the world who actually bought it for that purpose, but it's not worth having if it even increases the cost by a few dollars...

4. This is questionable. I don't like the whole social network thing, but I'm not sure it costs the consumers any money, or at least not a significant amount per console.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they released an Xbox One Slim (or similar name, "Lite", "Pure" etc) for $350 that dropped the TV and mandatory Kinect, honestly.

Still, nothing is going to make up for the fact that it's an underpowered console with a reputation for bad customer relations.

[JimboUK]

It's way too l

 

I cannot believe you all are going to judge the Xbox One just on the Presentation at E3. Yes, they did horribly with explaining it at E3 but I am not going to judge on just that! I plan on getting the Xbox One in the future... When they come out with some games that I like on the console. (None of the games at E3 impressed me, Guess I have picky tastes?)

I know they already dropped the DRMs on the console so that is good. The price is up there because of the Blu-Ray player. If I remember right, Sony holds rights to the Blu-Ray patents so that complicates things.

 

Things I think Microsoft should also drop:

 

1. The Blu-Ray player for an HD DVD player

2. The Kinect

3. TV Support

4. Social Network Support

 

Imagine the price cut on the Xbox One if they decide to do as mentioned. The price would be... Minus $75 from the Kinect, minus a possible $100 for the TV support, cannot find the price of what it would cost for social network support, minus the average price for the Blu-Ray player which could be $80 and subtract from the price tag that is $500 and the result could be...250 to 300 or so US Dollars as an estimate. That would put Microsoft in good hands. Please know this is what I think.

I know that both companies have their faults and I have never sworn to be loyal to them either. Yes the new guy in charge could mean trouble for the console but we need to think positively and see what happens. Until then, I will stay with the Xbox 360 and PS3 thank you.

 

P.S.: If you can help me with the estimate that would be greatly appreciated. Anyone is welcome to try and make it more accurate.

 

1. It's got enough problems without opting for proprietary media, anyway they'd have to replace every XBone sold so far and reissue the games already released.

2. It's not that easy, games already out require it and games in development will expect it to be there, to suddenly change now would make developers and publishers furious.

3. I could agree more, watch TV on TV was a moronic concept from the start.

4. The cost is negligible and there are a lot of people who use it.

 

The only way to save the Xbone is by getting must have exclusives on there, the trouble is that costs a lot of money and Microsoft might not be willing to spend it, especially with stockholders wanting rid of it and Elop in charge. Microsoft designed it poorly and they marketed it poorly, they've treated the end user with contempt from day one and now it's coming back to bite them in the rear end.

[AceShooter001]

Rennn:Thank you for being the most understanding here.

Hoofhearted4: There are many theories on why Microsoft dropped the DRMs and for a Fact they wouldn't try to put it back in after what happened at E3. The Kinect itself is questionable.

Jim_uk: I can understand the exclusives problem you are stating, though it is not going to be the only thing to save it.

I appreciate the corrections you 3 have input. Side Note: In the P.S., I was talking about the math I was using for the price if they removed the things mentioned. On the Blu-ray part; The game and console replacements would be a problem. In terms of movies, I know many of my trusted friends who would prefer the HD DVD format over Blu-ray format. I do not do social networks and believe those sites to be useless.

Again opinions differ here. I would like to point out that both the Xbox One and the PS4 have the EXACT same parts with the exception of the updated brand graphics card in the PS4. (I don't care for graphics so long as the game is good.) Thanks again for the input.

[hector530]

i find it funny how people here are talking about how the X1 is in danger

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

you people are acting like the PS4 is outselling it in a 3:1 ratio. the PS4 is selling like 22-33% more and its being sold in like 24 more counties then the X1.

 

 

Nintendo cant turn a profit, Sony is still doing poorly, Microsoft made billions. sorry the console isnt over yet.

[AceShooter001]

That is funny. I am trying to give the Xbox One a foot hold to what is only the beginning. The PS4 Is nice but the Xbox One is as well. Until some appealing games come out for the Xbox One and PS4, I'll keep my Xbox 360 Slim and the PS3.

[Werne]

My personal opinion is that Xbone is still crap. It was crap even before it got released due to some stuff Microsoft made mandatory (and still is, like Kinect and that stupid "watch TV on TV" stuff) but now it's crap because of it's parts.

 

What I mean:

 

X1 GPU - 768 shader cores, 853MHz GPU clock, 8GB DDR3 2133MHz shared VRAM pool, 63.8GB/s memory bandwidth

X1 CPU - dual-module AMD Jaguar @1.75GHz

 

PS4 GPU - 1152 shaders, 800MHz GPU clock, 8GB GDDR5 5500MHz shared VRAM pool, 176GB/s memory bandwidth

PS4 CPU - dual-module AMD Jaguar, unknown frequency

 

In simpler terms, comparing Xbone to PS4 in terms of graphics power is pretty much like comparing a Radeon 7790 to a 7870 clock-for-clock. PS4's VRAM bandwidth is nearly tripled, it's GPU clock is 53MHz slower (~7%) but with a 60% increase in shader cores, not sure about CPU though. Xbone on the other hand has a CPU that's nearly 1/2 slower than my 8320 on stock, and a GPU that's only a small step up from my 7770 by the looks of it.

 

Bottom line is, this whole console generation is crap, a $600 PC would run circles around both consoles. In terms of Xbone vs PS4 though, Xbone is a kiddie toy compared to PS4 hardware-wise, but at least it beats Nintendo.

[Thor.]

See talking to us which is better is like talking to a brick wall, we know better. Go Werne!! see my point lol, don't forget the shared vram and cpu's cores which also diminishes its capabilities with os and Kenect.

The ps4 in the other hand has a special quad arm cortex cpu which handles background processes and a extra 2gb of ddr3, so the jaguar cpu is strictly for gamng.

 

 

Also I have not seen any reports of this on mainstream news like gamespot or IGN. Its like they are in denial of bad news. Many of these articles don't hit the mainstream, i have seen many that just seem to go through blogs or tech news sites like Extremetech or any other.

Edited March 3, 2014 by Thor.

[Rennn]

 

you people are acting like the PS4 is outselling it in a 3:1 ratio. the PS4 is selling like 22-33% more and its being sold in like 24 more counties then the X1.

 

It's quite far from that, actually. By the middle of February, last month, the PS4 had sold almost double the units of the Xbox One just in the United States.

Edited March 3, 2014 by Rennn