Newbie not knowing what it does I guess. However, the amount of lamps and cameras did not cause the massive 200 MB size...the torus did. The default on mine (2.49b) is: Major Radius: 1.00 Minor Radius: 0.25 Major Segments: 48 Minor Segments: 16 This yields a donut that has 768 verts. The one I uploaded used 50 major segments which yielded an 800 vert donut. In Blender 2.57, adding a default torus yields a 576 vert donut. I am using 2.49 as well. http://www.thenexusforums.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/thumbsup.gif So would the moral of the story here be , use the default settings for the cylinder and torus? http://www.thenexusforums.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/tongue.gif