Well you can't have it both ways, if the UN cannot not actually perform as a military force then one might as well send a troop of Crime Scene Investigators for all the good it will do the the victims and they can collect evidence for future trials at the Hague. I find it droll that the usual outcry is against US military intervention except when we do not do so. I might reverse this argument and inquire why the Deutsches Heer does not do more than provide logistical support when there is a shooting conflict? ( and I am aware of the FDR constitutional restrictions) We (US) use our military in furtherance of our national interests of which being the world's policeman is not the mandate. I never said that we would be better off without a UN that actually lives up to it's charter, which would be a change of pace from it's actual performance. Oh a question for Germany.... Mostly it is the German Luftwaffe and the German Marine that does the support with it Hercules C130 and their Ships to and since Germany has a historic responsibility that the German military is fully aware of we only lend support. question answered ? One example of what has changed prior to the history common knowledge of the world... Shortly after 9/11 a heated debate with German politician and the heads of Interior Ministry and Defense Ministry seamed to agree to the point that if similar things happened in Germany like 9/11 they would give order to the Lufftwaffe to shoot the jumbo jets down... as they where arguing still after some months and the possibility that they would rule out that way mentioned above. The pilots of the Lufftwaffe made a a statement that couldn't be ignored by the politicians. The pilots stated out that if they would shoot one jumbo jet down with innocent passengers this would violate the German constitutional law §1 and §2 (see Spoiler) and the the family members of the such killed could declare it a constitutional violation and charge the pilots directly for a crime even that aroused from circumstances that would mean of shooting down a jumbo jet. The pilots stated out that they would all disobey an illegal order to violate the German constitution. (Hereby to all those pilots and members of the German Luftwaffe that supported this and are on the Nexus, one word: RESPEKT! You certainly earned it with that move.) Now they don't have qualms to shoot down on Cessna but innocent lives that are not only on graound in danger but in German airspace as well have these rights. This was prior to the awareness of responsibility of the history of Germany that caused that the politicians did rowed back from their original plans. and now to bring you on topic again this is one little step that has changed to support any measures that humans are not salves and are subjects of numbers of collateral damage counts in my opinion as long as the German military is aware of their historic responsibilities and and acting according to the laws of Germany witch are strongly woven to the Human rights there is hope that modern day slavery and oppression isn't coming through the military back door as it was once in Germany. And one simple add it is harder to disobey illegal orders in other countries than in Germany now. All i am here pointing out is that Germany has a historic responsibility and is trying to live up to it. Germany 8 points
