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I was being kind and giving the benefit of doubt. I do agree on incompetence and ineptitude with an added dash of lack of concern for a bug free product that can stand on its own at time of release. I wouldn't go so far as to call the games disasters. Daggerfall, Morrowind and Oblivion each have their good features and what they did well they did very well indeed. In fact, I found them to quite addictive. But, in general the series is in a downward spiral of if it's broke take it out. Hence no attributes, no birthsigns, no levitation, no spell creation, no throwing stars, no spears and on and on and on. Stuff that's only needs a little thought to tweak in the right direction. but it is easier to not think at all, I guess. Then we're left with all flash no substance. But with good PR flash sells. Judging by the numbers in the Beth Defense League the PR has been very good indeed.

That's the point. Morrowind came out 2002, Oblivion came out in 2006......then Fallout 3 , FONV So, Bethesda had at least 5 years to track down that Saber Cat Bug that happens to other things in the game. (if it also happened in Morrowind then they had 8 years). That bug has shown up in oblivion, FO3, and FONV and now Skyrim. Apparently, they either don't care about the bug, or don't know how to fix it. Because if it showed in in Oblivion in 2006, it made its way into THREE more games after that. 5 years later, within a couple weeks of release, and people are still seeing that bug in Skyrim now. What's the excuse this time? And to add to your earlier comment about the software industry 'once you buy it you're stuck with it' attitude I would go further and say that with the gaming industry and Beth in particular it is expected that you or the modding community will fix bugs, gratis. Skyrim, looks great, less filling.

Ha, the Flying Saber Cat bug nothing new to TES games. About par for the course I'd say. Just this past week I saw the same thing happen in Oblivion fighting wild pahmer in the Colovian Heights. The dying kitty was bouncing around the screen like it was high on catnip until game CTD. At least Skyrim Flying SaberCat doesn't crash that I've seen, or does it?

Actually you're not buying anything other than a lease agreement from Steam. Read the user agreement; you own nothing! As for as mods go, well any mod uploaded to Steam becomes Steams property and if Steam sees fit they can charge for its use.

1. STEAM 2. Smithing. It is totally baffling how one can wake up one morning and can craft Dwemer armor and weapons? From where does one learn an art that has been lost for thousands of years? Makes no sense at all. 3. Consoleitis. 4. Oh, and one last thing; the infernal excuse that's been popping up since Daggerfall, "there's so much going on in the game you have to expect bugs, crashes and hang-ups." Really? In what other industry would this kind of performance be tolerated or be considered the norm? It does look great though and can hold your attention.

In Daggerfall, Morrowind and Oblivion I always played Altmer or Bosmer elves and as an elf I would really liked to have had the option to join the Thalmor or not. I keep thinking of all the elf racial mods made for Oblivion; Sky Elves, Snow Elves, Ice Elves, Mystic Elves and many more and I wonder Why can't I play as an Ice Elf refugee from Cyrodiil come to lead the Falmer out of the darkness into the sun. Sorry, I'm just a bit disappointed as I was with Morrowind after Daggerfall and Oblivion after Morrowind. My inflated expectations far exceeded the limited choice and role playing experiences provided. Mind you Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim are not bad games. In fact each is quite good, It's just that if they would have built upon the succeses of the previous they would have been all the greater. Skyrim is not the first adventure game Beth put out, remember Redguard. Not a big seller. Skyrim is just better disguised with just enough RPG elements that it can avoid the adventure game stigma.

The Witcher was good, not good enough to hold me until the end. I got bored and stopped playing, no. 2 was not my cup o tea either. But certainly not a game or game series I would go to a board and talk bad about like people are with Skyrim. I can see the attraction and I got my money's worth (not like a TES game though). DA:O I already talked about, to recap, good but way to linear. In BG I could have a stronghold and I was not pigeonholed into a group and I could go many places whenever I wanted...and...well you get the picture. But you said in the OP that BG and torment were too dated to consider. So take those two out one has to deal with what's left. If you don't want oan honest answer don't bother asking the question in the first place.

Do not trust in the cloud or in steam! Clouds are known to leak and steam can burn very badly.

I would offer you two games; The Witcher Enhanced Edition and Dragon Age - Origins. Both presented themselves as action/adventure games with limited RPG elements and they delivered the goods. Skyrim on the other hand was hyped as a heavy RPG game in the TES tradition and it failed in that respect. Whereas all three games look great and the stories are good that's were similarities end. Both Witcher Enhanced Edition and Dragon Age - Origins came out of the box in good playable condition. Both had wonderful intuitive GUIs. Skyrim on the other hand had a mandatory Day-1 patch and a second patch a few days later broke the game for many. Plus Skyrim's PC interface is a horrid example of how not to build a KB/Mouse interface. The comparisons can go on and on but whether or not you are willing to look through the fog and see the truth that Skyrim looks great but falls short on substance really depends on how deeply you bought into Bethesda's hype.

I would agree with Brittainy that it depends on your tastes in games. For myself I want more emphasis in role playing aspect than what was delivered in Skyrim. Skyrim is all looks and short on substance. To make excuses by saying modders can and will fix all the flaws is really pointing the onus in the wrong direction. I also would want a bit more attention paid to interface and control features. Take for example the 8 hot keys. Sitting here looking at my keyboard I count ten number keys. What's wrong with using 9 and 0? And that's not to mention the function keys F1 - F12. Oh and I see a shift key. Using the shift key would take that to F24. Why, we could easily had up to 34 hotkeys if only someone at Bethesda had put in just a little effort. Makes me wonder if they even bothered to look at a keyboard. Why should it be left to mods to bring up a game to the level it should have been on day of release. It is just sloppy, lazy, cheap or whatever you want to call it production from Bethesda.

People? Different views on certain things don't make you right or the other person right... they are opinions. Stop pushing your views as the be-all-see-all of what is right and wrong with steam. Life lesson? Are you honestly that self-righteous to think that just because your opinions differ then mine, I need to be taught a LIFE LESSON because I enjoy steam and use it every day? I never ONCE said that people have no reason to hate steam. I completely understand where SOME people are coming from in regards to some of the issues set forth on this subject... My beef is with the people that are simply hating steam to hate steam. I enjoy steam's service. Bethesda is going to patch the game with or without steam... so blaming steam for the terrible patches is LOLworthy because all steam does is provide a content delivery system for the publisher. To think that steam had ANYTHING to do with the broken patches (minus delivering them to you) is simply WRONG. That isn't an opinion, which is why I can honestly say you are WRONG to think that. Unlike stating opinions and telling my mine are invalid because they differ from yours... I'm telling you how it is. Steam didn't release 1.2... Bethesda did. Along with... every other game that's been released by major publishers in the past 5 years? Is steam really the bad-guy in this situation... or is the idea of DRM as a whole, the bad idea? You are poking a dead horse and calling it a frog with this one. DRM isn't steam's problem... it's corporate greed that's the problem. Once again, not steam. I won't even comment on how you think I'm "deluded"... silly child. I could go on and on and on... but it seems like I'm getting the same from everyone here. Personally attacking someone's character because they have a different opinion from you... welcome to the internet I guess. Trolls will be trolls. So why are you trolling? The OP asked why people don't like Steam so why are you attacking those who responded?

Intriguing ideas. I go for the trainer that let's you have up to 6 followers (including dragon) who have their own leveling paths and the 10 more hotkeys. The harem idea is would allow me to play my elf lord properly. An Elf Lord without his Ladies is nothing,

If you ever played Oblivion with the companion Vilja then you know how much a good accent can add to an NPC. Notice that Vilja's pronunciation is not perfect nor does she say exactly what is written but coming from a Nord girl in Cyrodiil it added greatly to the atmosphere. I wouldn't go for the major races speaking gibberish but I think they should each have their own distinct racial accent, dialect and slang. Or perhaps consider each race speaking a different language English, French, Italian, German, Russian, Norwegian, Farsi, Chinesse and Japanese for examples, with subtitles in English or country of sale. Might be costly though since at a minimum you would need 20 voice actors to represent all 10 races both male and female.

Yep, yep, yep. The boy knows how to pile on the PR and overhype, for sure. Haven't seen , read or experienced anything that warrents Skyrim as GOTY. Best RPG, maybe but not GOTY.

What about a magicka regen mod? Cause im sure not many people want to take a nap after every skirmish. That's what restore magicka potions are for. Or, if you have any skill in destruction, by a drain intelligence spell. Go to spellmaker, have them make a spell drain intelligence 100 pts on self for 1 second. Instant restore magicka. Only nap to level up forever afterward. Of course, that is providing that you have at least 10 magicka at 100% chance to successfully cast it. Give yourself some leeway depending on your skill. It was the restore magicka potions option for me since I play a gimped mage born under birthsign of the Atronach. That's the way I played Daggerfall so I was used to it.

A game's greatness is made by what you remember from it.. It was a huge improvement from Daggerfall visually which almost made up from the disappointment of all the items and monsters that were dropped from Daggerfall. I missed the slash left, slash right, chop and thrust mouse controll. I remember running, running, running, constantly running up a hill and back down again. All that running and I never found the Dwemer. There was a cave along that road I explored that always gave me the jitters. Can't forget the NPC that fell from the sky and died right at my feet. He was wearing something that gave him extraordinary jump ability but nothing on how to land safely. There was Ahnassi your special friend. A Khajiit special friend how disappointing for an Altmer mage especially since there was good looking woman at the side of the road lamenting her lost boy friend. The landscape was strange ranging from a blackish wasteland to brownish scrub land sparsely populated with unique variety of vegetation. But most of all I remember the end. A need to be of a certain skill level to use the short sword and hammer to kill the god and I had not one point allocated to those skills. I am the Archmage I can level mountains, I can turn your bones to ash and leave your body unharmed, I can melt the flesh off an entire army and use their skeletons to do my bidding. I can do all these things and more such is the greatness of my power but I can't swing a hammer to kill a god. I turned it off and never went back. In it's own way Morrowind is a great game because after all these years I still think of gong back and playing it again.

What can you say? Beth listened to all the Oblivion rags about majic being OPed and game breaking so they nerfed it. And that's how it is.

I used to have faith in Bethesda patches like you but then I took an arrow in the knee.

Copyright won't help. Read the Steam Workshop Contribution Agreement carefully because once you send in your contribution (mod) to Steam Workshop you give all rights to your work to Steam. Your work, copyright or not as long as it is in Steam it no longer belongs to you! And that's the way it is. I didn't like the Steam Skyrim integration from the beginning. I expressed my concerns once in a form thread to which some fool responded that I cancel my pre-order. I took his advice and thanked him. I hope the fanboy is happy I know I am. Skyrim looks and sounds like it is need of some serious work. Now there's this news. Well, it just gives me a queasy sick feeling. It has become apparent that the CK is late in order to only to allow Steam to weave its suffocating tendrils tightly within its core. Who knows this could result in some brilliant mod ideas coexisting beautifully together. Just like Kvatch Rebuilt and Kvatch Aftermath. In a brief few years I come to really enjoy the Nexus. Felt like a kid in a candy shop with all the great mods I found that brought Oblivion to life for me. There are actually a couple I think are worth paying for. But I'm thinking it's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

The imperials need Skyrim, eventually they'll gain the strength to fight off the Aldmeri Dominion. On the other hand, they tried to cut off your head without trial. The Stormcloaks just want their home back. But they're all racist bigots. Same goes for the elves. They just want their homeland back but they're also a bunch of racist bigots right up there with the best Imperials and Nords. The side I'd most like the aid is the Falmer but geez they turned out fugly. There were some good looking Ice & Snow elves modded into Oblivion (I'm thinking Ambreska) couldn't they be considered as refugees and brought back to Skyrim. Certainly would make the place look better and take my mind off the snow, more snow and ice thing.

This is absolutely the best thread I've ever read through. I''ll turn 62 in a week and I've been playing computer games since I got my first job as a IBM 360 computer operator in 1970. Third shift was great. In the middle of the shift when all batch jobs were done we'd read in a deck and play some real simple text games. There was one based on Star Trek, I remember. I think it was when the 370's came along we played games via the green screen CRT like pong, meteor and defender. Great fun back then but by 1980 management was starting to crack down on CPU useage and the good old days came to a close. It was mid 1990's when I bought my first home PC, a DX4 100 processor DOS machine. Two games Daggerfall and another one called HEXEN changed everything. I played both over and over again, always asking the same questions; Why doesn't Daggerfall look like Hexen? Why can't I do all the things and run all over the place in Hexen like in Daggerfall? Anyways I was hooked and have been looking for the perfect PC game ever since. Got to try them all cause you never know the next one could be it.

Bring it on. We of the Neo-Psijics have been hiding underground far too long and are eagerly awaitng to enter the fray again.

It seems Beth has been avoiding the Black Marsh and Elswer. Why? Well, I don't think Beth can do a swamp or jungle setting. They don't have the leadership or design talent that can properly envision the Black Marsh and Elyswer environments. It is highly doubtful they could even do justice to the tree cities in Valenwood. Now having said that I fully hope and expect that they will go out and prove me wrong. Just don't take too long as I am not getting any younger while sitting here waiting for something good.

Do not be deceived the vampire is not the friend of the living. The noble vampire as you describe along with the sympathetic vampire are relatively recent adaptations to the vampire myth beginning 1847 with the James Malcolm Rymer's serial Varney the Vampire; or the Feast of Blood which greatly influenced Bram Stokers Dracula. The ancient Babylonian, Greek and Egyptian tales depict a more ghoulish demon that drinks the blood and devours the flesh of its victims as it seeks to renew its life with by consuming the vitality of the living. I would vote to leave the Skyrim vampires as they are, an adversary worth hunting.

in-game, it is permanent. however, in the console, type "showracemenu". when that comes up *DO NOT* change race or sex, but any other cosmetic option can be changed as many times as you want, with zero negative effect, except that you must re-equip all your enchanted gear. it doesnt break achievements either, as popular myth claims. i use this to regularly get a "shave and a haircut" so to speak. who wants to see the same hair every day? xD Ah, thanks. I do use the console in Oblivion whenever I wanted to change features, So what I would like to see is a mod that would allow me to change war paint as easily as changing pants without having to enter console. Possibly different markings for different circumstances; courting an elven maiden, general dungeon crawling or slaying vampires (my passion) for instance.