MidbossVyers

But 'their thing' is hunting and killing Daedra worshipers. The Thalmor 'thing' is hunting and killing Talos worshipers. Why is the former ok and socially acceptable but the latter not? No, the Vigilants are tolerated, not accepted. You want to wipe out the Hall of the Vigilants or Fort Dawnguard? No law enforcement will stop you from doing so.

Ironically, I think that was meant to be a DLC before Bethesda decided to focus on ESO. As for myself, it probably wouldn't be canon to settle things with the Thalmor all in 1 mod, but I can see at least 1 battle. For example, if the Thalmor were to invade using a navy from the northwest, and a victory against the Thalmor hinges on a fire attack using a southeasterly wind.

But that's just it. If Vigilants or the Dawnguard are caught assaulting people in the streets, they are treated as criminals.

Well, if you've started to disagree with the lore, then there's really nothing I can do to convince you of anything.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Modern_Heretics Read the first paragraph.

Orgnum is major? Anyway, I chose Mannimarco because he had the most interesting plans for the Mantella back in Daggerfall.

No one tries to arrest the Vigilants because most aren't stupid enough to do anything illegal in public. However, groups, like the Dawnguard, are. As I mentioned in another thread, when playing as a vampire, if you are attacked by the Dawnguard in a town, there is a chance that the town guard will side with you. Most Daedric shrines are hidden to avoid annoying Vigilantes. See how no official law enforcement tries to arrest you if you go around in full Daedric or with Daedric artifacts (doing this will provoke the Vigilants, though).

No, Daedra worship is legal but discouraged. The reason for this is because most mage organizations (Mages Guild, House Telvanni, etc.) summon Daedra as familiars. This is legally allowed (no one tries to arrest you for using conjuration magic). With that in mind, it is fairly difficult to prove whether someone is consorting with Daedra for religious or secular purposes, so the law just ignores it. Vigilants are vigilantes and are not legally sanctioned. Heck, I don't even think that they are sanctioned by the official Church of Stendarr, given that doing vampire quests in Daggerfall increased your reputation with Julianos and Stendarr (while decreasing your reputation with the other Divines): http://uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Deadly_Knowledge Talos wasn't a thing back then.

See. I agree with that. Ulfric could have said whatever conditions for his help. Igmund did not have to agree to it. For example, if you go into a store to buy something and find what you want at a ridiculously high price, does it not reflect badly on your character to "purchase" that by writing a bouncing check?

Night of Terror, what the hell? No, Markarth was taken over by the Forsworn. Ulfric offers his forces to help, but not for free. He wanted to reinstate Talos worship. Igmund agreed, used Ulfric's services, and then tossed Ulfric aside by reneging on the treaty. You're right to say that Talos worship is illegal. Therefore, Igmund did not have to agree to Ulfric's terms and could have tried to wait until the proper Legion showed up. Obviously, this means longer Forsworn reign.

OK, first of all, know that I have Daggerfall but never completed it (wow, diseases in this game are deadly). However, in canon, what happens to the Hero of Daggerfall in the end? I've heard in some circles that the Hero dies at the end, but it appears much more vague than what happens to the Hero at the end of the other main games (Arena, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim). Is this true? The main reason that I ask is because I've heard that Battlespire was originally meant to be an expansion to Daggerfall, so for RP's sake, would it be canon to have my Battlespire character based off of my Daggerfall character (obviously, this would make no sense if the Hero of Daggerfall dies in canon)?

So, in your opinion, should Igmund have made that deal?

I notice that dark elves in Battlespire (and some in Daggerfall: http://uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Helseth) have brown skin and red eyes, rather than gray skin and red eyes, which more closely matches a lot of other fantasy lore for dark elves. In Skyrim, I often use mods to make my dark elf characters brown-skinned. And then, there are a couple dark elves even in vanilla Oblivion that had this skin color: http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Arvin_Dalvilu which appears to be a blend of brown and green. I don't see that in other fantasy lore. Don't over-interpret it. Just making some observations.

He didn't "hold the city hostage". The Markarth government practically invited him there to drive out the Forsworn. It's just that the price of Ulfric's help was the reinstatement of Talos worship, something that the Markarth government reneged on (although you may argue that the deal itself was illegal, but the Markarth government certainly didn't complain at the time).

I was actually referring more to the prisoner whom you rescue from the Battlespire after you defeat Dagon. The damsel in distress, if you play as a guy, and the dude (?) in distress if you play as a girl. Still, thanks for the info.

Yes, the Thalmor assumed that Ulfric would just cause a tug-of-war in Skyrim that would last indefinitely. In other words, they never assumed that the Stormcloaks would break through Markarth (that's why Ondolemar is there without a care in the world). However, depending on how the Civil War goes, the Stormcloaks could have taken Solitude easily and possibly Northwatch Keep (in a separate quest).

I could have really posted this in any of the Elder Scrolls sub-forums, but given that this one appears the most active, I will do it here. This is a serious question, and I'm not asking for screenshots or anything, just game names. Outside of modding, are Daggerfall and Battlespire the only 2 Elder Scrolls games to have official, in-game nudity? I don't mean implications of nudity. I mean stuff that you actually see.

No, I do agree that probably no Whiterun guards did an instant defection during the Battle for Whiterun, but we do know that some of the Whiterun guards who should have defended the city did not (as Balgruuf was complaining to Vignar about).

Yes, simple math. The Markarth incident happened in 4E176. The events of Skyrim the game happen in 4E201. And Braig’s daughter would be 23 according to him today if she was still alive. So, that means she was killed after 4E178. Two years after Ulfric was arrested, which is what the Markarth Incident was about. No, I just meant that someone from Whiterun could have just as easily went to Windhelm to join the Stormcloaks and then participate in the Battle of Whiterun. Also, as Balgruuf said, the men of the Gray-Mane family were absent during the Whiterun defense. Others could have sat the battle out, as well. That's all.

I'm going to assume that you're being sarcastic on that first line. If you're referring to the Markarth executions, those occurred around 2 years after Ulfric's arrest, so he could not have physically had any say in it. As for Whiterun, it is possible that Whiterun citizens joined the Stormcloak army. Others were more like Vignar and were absent from the defense.

Yes, that's right. They would either be banished, like most of the Jarls, or just kicked out of the army, like Commander Caius (but apparently, he is still a commander in his heart, whatever that means).

No, I meant that I can't respond because I literally cannot translate what you are saying.

I'm not quite sure what you meant by that last line?

Your grammar and spelling are torturous to the eyes.

Yes, Skyrim swore fealty to the Septim Empire. Is this the Septim Empire?