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It does sound scary and it does possibly explain another issue a person was having were the custom mod menus from Armorsmith Extended were messed up in the vanilla armor workbench. Removal of a power armor mod .esm that was heavy in keywords fixed it. When it comes to adding shared weapon mod menu keywords to AWKCR please keep it optional. Have one version that has them and one that does not OR have a list of them so a user can go in and remove them to reduce the amount of keywords being loaded. (grumble grumble and cuts the unused keywords from SK.)

Thank you everyone for your responses. It took me two - three tries finally go to a stable version of Fallout 4 1.3. I suspect steam had an issue with installing the 1.3 patch that messed up the patch the first time. Everything works good now. Hopefully this will help some people. http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/3708890-known-textures-causing-ctds-with-the-beta-patch/?hl=%20beta%20%20patch

Thank you for this because it was helpful. The first time I had steam install this patch the game would CTD after a few minutes of play. I tried it on a fresh install of Fallout 4 with no mods as well as a modded version. I reinstalled steam and restored my game back to 1.2.3.7 with mods before attempting to have steam patch it to 1.3 the second. That left be with only a CTD caused by the Grafix Architecture which I was able to fix because of this forum. I wonder if the patch some how got corrupted the first time. *shrug*

Known issue. A mod is conflicting with Settlement Keywords and you probably need compatibility patches for some of your mods. SSEX is one and Safe SSEX is another.

Remove Settlement Keywords if you are not using a mod that uses it. A mod conflicting with Settlement Keywords will cause the trade posts menu to be hidden. or Look for compatibility patches for the mods that conflict. There is a short list on Settlement Keywords' description page.

Hate say it, but this type of issue existed before 1.3. I read about it before I installed Grafix. I think back then it might have been a toaster texture..... Yes, a texture for a toaster was causing CTD for people.

Click the button underneath the green checkmark on the plugins tab (it looks like a piece of paper with an arrow coming off it) to export your load order. Copy and paste in spoiler tags please. You missed the very top of your load order (.esm files) in the pictures.

@Thuggysmurf CTD whenever switching cells is a new one for me. I know it is different issues for different people but I want to try to get a scope on some of the known issues. You may want to take steps to prevent Steam from auto updating your game. Thank you for your input and it is appreciated. :smile: @SirTwist I figured it was a "cleaned" up version of the beta patch. I took steps to block the updates from happening automatically and refused to test the beta patches. There will probably be even patches for the CK when it is released........ Thank you for your input and it is appreciated. :smile: @Skitkjell Waiting till all the mods update might be a good idea. I was looking to start a new game with this patch and it is a bit hard to wait because Fallout 4 is a bit addicting. I recall Bethesda ruining working games with flawed updates in the past and that is why I am hesitant on updating Fallout 4. Having the issues in one location here might help others to decide as well. Thank you for your input and it is appreciated. :smile: @tielebras Random CTDs are another new one. Yeah I agree Bethesda could have released a better product especially with the category keyword limit bug. I hope that one is not a set limitation that can not be changed. Thank you for your input and it is appreciated. :smile:

Ok fellow community people. I am looking at installing this patch and would like to know some of the issues associated with it. I have read the improvements it makes but there has to be a catch. So what are some of the issues associated with this one? Thank you to anywone who replies. -edit- Clarification: Please say if your issue happened in a save game or new game. Please explain a bit about the issue you are experiencing. Updates: I bought Fallout 4 through Steam but took steps to prevent auto-updates. I will not be forced into being someone's guinea pig.........um beta tester. I will also be making a complete backup of my game and mods before updating. All input is greatly appreciated. :smile:

It was probably the keyword cap issue if moving it to the top worked. The keyword cap issue happens top to bottom. The keywords in the mods loaded first (esm) take priority and override the keywords in the mods loaded last (esp). That is how Settlement Keywords and AWKCR work. Mod conflicts work the opposite way. The mod loaded last overrides a previous mod it conflicts. Power Armor mods and mods like Armorsmith Extended (the part that adds the extra mod categories like glove/lining) work basically the same way. They both add keywords for the extra categories in the vanilla workbench/station to the items to form the categories. Armorsmith Extended does it to form categories in the vanilla workbench while power armor mods do it to form categories in the power armor station. When it comes to Worsin's PA Garage it is a bad idea he went to .esm and did not stay .esp. Power Armor are usually keyword heavy and best loaded near the end. Personally I use ZephyrWarrior's F4 Power Armor Overhaul (ZW's F4 Power Armor Overhaul.esp) and it has not conflicted with any mods since it is loaded near the bottom of my load order and it has similar features as Worsin's PA Garage. The only conflicts I had with it are with the Legendary Modification 2LM workbench and Jetpacks Unlimited. (I made patches for both and but them in the forums section of Zephyrwarrior's mod.) *The 2LM workbench makes stand alone items with 2 legendary modifications while not altering vanilla items. It did not have Zephyrwarrior's keywords on the pieces of power armor it made. *JetPacks Unlimited and Zephyrwarrior's mod both use overrides to add their keywords to vanilla power armor pieces so they conflicted. Or You can use Worsin's Paint Garage Lite. It does not have the categories and just dumps the paint into the vanilla paint category. (Unless he reverted back to using .esp files.) Great that you fixed your issue. :smile:

My mistake, I found a mod conflict was causing the lining mod menu to not display all the linings and my patch fixed it. If moving Armorsmith around in your inventory (near the very top under the esm files or near the very bottom) then chances are higher that it is the keyword limitation. The issue with the Backpack Workbench was indeed the keyword limitation. I ran into this issue myself and fixed it by making the workbench mods use AWKCR. Suggestion: 1. Disable all your mods. 2. Enable Armorsmith Extended. 3. Start enabling your mods one at a time and start the game each time. (Go into your save but do not save the game.) 4. Test Armorsmith Extended. ^This may take a while but it will help narrow down which mod is causing the issue. This is my load order: All the menus now work fine and I can now have two legendary modifications on all items crafted by AE. :)

Try moving Armorsmith extended up or down in your load order. It sounds like it could be the category keyword cap (doubt it but who knows) or it could be a conflict with another mod. The keywords for the clothing mod slots are actually added to the articles of clothing and not in the vanilla armor workbench. So, I would find it odd if they got messed up by the category keyword cap. The power armor station works the same way as the vanilla armor workbench. I ran into a similar issue with the power armor station and it was caused by two mods conflicting. But it could be caused by the category keyword since the keywords for the mod slots are in the Armorsmith Extended mod not in Armorkeywords (AWKCR). :sad: Moving Armorsmith Extended up might fix it if it is the category keyword cap. Moving Armorsmith Extended down or up might fix it if it is a mod conflict. (Goes back to editing the Armorsmith Extended items. Fun adding a 2nd legendary to them and better lining.)

To get technical if you want to call it what it really is: FO4EDIT is TES5Edit renamed for anyone who does not know it so it works with Fallout 4. It is not TESVEdit. TES5Edit works with NMM and does not require further changes like deleteion of everything in your appdata\local\Fallout 4 folder. Settlers: Settlers will also come in and use workbenches. Homemaker: Homemaker works just fine if players follow simple install instructions on the installer. (It is shocking how many players do not simply do this.) NovaCoru generally makes her own patches at least while the maker of SSex hasn't made a single one. Homemaker by itself works fine, it is other mods that need patches to work with it. (Same with Settlement Keywords.) Homemaker is a work in progress like MO2 and NMM. Even with the CK some mods will require patches to work smoothly together. SSEX: I could go into details on the massive flaws SSEX has but I won't waste my time. NMM: Putting the mods in the data directory is a flaw of NMM but it is better than stuffing them into the normally hidden AppData/Local/Modorganizer directory by default if you want to edit them. It is much easier to get TES5Edit, LOOT, and Bodyslide to work with NMM. Tons of people use it without any issues. MO2: Even the STEP Staff is saying it should not be used yet as your general game manager. Conclusion: It is good MO2 works for you but it still has its flaws like NMM. To each their own, just the false advertising is a bit much. (You could not get LOOT to sort properly with MO2 and you originally had issues with getting TES5Edit to work.) Have a wonderful day. :)

I was reading the Mod Organizer 2 Discussion and Feedback forum and found this interesting: Mod Organizer 2 still has bugs in it. An example is the bug with running FO4EDIT smoothly. So no, it doesnt just work. I also find it intesting that one of the Super Moderators over there is using LOOT. But hey to each their own, just the false advertising is a bit much. *smh* NMM is not perfect and has several hang ups but is still being developed. MO2 is not perfect and has several hang ups but is still being developed. Found when browsing the LOOT forum: It seems the simple way to use LOOT with NMM is to remove the read-only property on plugins.txt found in C:\Users\*yourusename*\AppData\Local\Fallout4. NMM makes plugins.txt read only so the Fallout 4 Launcher doesn't mess it up. Players need to use the 64Bit version of LOOT with MO2.

@Wax2k It looks like Thetruthh is missing the SK patch for Robot Home Defense.

This can be removed. NovaCoru was kind enough to help me and explain how to do it. SK is also a good resource because it has categories and keywords already setup. :)

Yes, people have made the suggestion to NovaCoru and the response was no since Homemaker is a work in progress. (Gave up finding the exact response after going through 12 pages of post on the Homemaker page.) -Tag bag- It works with the Scrapper Perk. It adds a new section at the Chem Station called Tag Bag for quick tagging all components, bobbleheads, overdue books, technical documents, and bottlecaps. (The tagging persists after you reload the game.) The result is as you explore Fallout 4 anything you tagged or any container that has something you tagged in it will be highlighted. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/3471/? I also use Scrapper Range Extension and Loot Detector - Scrapper Corpse Highlighting. (Scrapper Corpes Highliting comes in handy if you cause a body to explode in the brush or at night.) http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/3263/? http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4380/? ***thinks of what to cut out of HM himself***

For me the plugins.txt is located at C:\Users\kingculex\AppData\Local\Fallout4 For me the loadorder.txt for Fallout 4 is in the same folder. Would launching the game directly straight from the .exe work? Yes. Would launching the game from the NMM button work? Yes, if its set to launch the .exe directly. (This is what I do.) If the problem persists and is not fixed by bypassing the Fallout 4 launcher then NMM is messed up some how.

@Demonikone You are correct that Bethesda is pulling stunts like the launcher deactivating mods after a player applied Patch 1.2 @GringoLoco91 You may want to set plugins.txt to read only. This is a workaround for that annoying launcher and steam. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/3252/? That should hopefully fix your mods becoming deactivated when launching Fallout 4. For the crashing, I have no idea. :sad: -edit- For me the plugins.txt is located at C:\Users\kingculex\AppData\Local\Fallout4 For me the loadorder.txt for Fallout 4 is in the same folder. Would launching the game directly straight from the .exe work? Yes. Would launching the game from the NMM button work? Yes, if its set to launch the .exe directly. (This is what I do.)

Are you using the Fallout 4 Launcher or launching Fallout4.exe directly? Are you using NMM to launch Fallout4.exe? Bethesda did something cute and now the Fallout 4 Launcher somtimes deactivates all the mods. You may want to set plugins.txt to read only. This is a workaround for that annoying launcher. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/3252/?

Settlement Keywords physically moves the Shops to the Resources category. It should be between the Water and Misc categories inside the Resources.( I do not like it either.) Here is a picture of where the Stores/Shops should be located: -Things that could cause the stores to be completely gone. (known issue)- 1. Mods that conflict with Settlement Keywords. 2. Being at a limited workshop like at Boston Airport or Home Plate without the mods that make them into full workshops. 3. Bad copy of Settlement Keywords. (Try updating it.) 4. Being over the limit even with Settlement Keywords. (You should not be since I have way more mods and still have my shops.) -The problem with your loadorder- It seems you are missing the compatibility patches for Homemaker and SNB that make them compatiblty with Settlement Keywords. I think the newest version of Homemaker has one in its installer for Homemaker and SNB. (They conflict with Settlement Keywords if you do not use the compatibilty patch.) -Solution- Try adding the compatibilty patch for Homemaker and SNB. ***Try this only if you have some knowledge of FO4EDIT** (I recommend doing this in your custom file but you can do it inside Settlement Keywords.) Honestly, if that does not work then I am stumped and sorry that I could not help fix your issue. :sad:

When it comes to the workbenches my suggestion: (I know its a pain.) Take a look at the new versions of AWKCR + Armorsmith Extended + Crafting Workbenches. AWKCR is now similar to Settlement Keywords in working around that limitation with Armorsmith Extended + Crafting Workbenches. They have already been reworked to decrease the chances of the workbench categories getting scrambled. The Junk and Ammunition workbenches of Crafting Workbenches are the only two that have not been redone. My loadorder: Does it work? Yes. Did I have issues with the workbenches being scrambled? Yes. -steps- I updated AWKCR to 1.69. I updated Armorsmith to 2.6. I updated Crafting Workbenches to 2.0. Created new workbenches. -Result- Armorsmith and Weaponsmith workbenches seems to be working fine with no categories renamed or changed. (Replaces the armor and weapon workbenches in Craffting Workbenches.) The bottom category in the Chemistry Station is relabeled "Warehouse Supplies" (from Homemaker) and seems to be a dumping ground for items that should be in the "Other" category. But 7 other categories show fine. **The recipes in the bottom category of the Chemistry Station that is relabeled "Warehouse Supplies" are from mods that tried to add a custom category to the Chemistry Station like Tagbag. They are not vanilla recipes. Crafting Workbenches(Ammunition and Junk) is still at 1 category since they were not reworked. -Drawback- Players might find they can not craft items provided by mods that directly add stuff to the armor workbench and weapon workbench provided by Crafting Workbenches to be crafted. (I found this out with the old version of Various Flare Guns and luckily it had been reworked to add itself to the Utility category of the Chemistry Station.) -Speculation on cause- Could Settlement Keywords factor in? Yes, since it adds keywords. Does this glitch predate Settlement Keywords? Yes, it is the same categories(keyword) overflow glitch that players experienced in the workshop. It is the cursed result of the keyword llimitation set by Bethesda. Will any mod that adds keywords contribute to this glitch/limitation? Yes (You already figured this out and you are correct it will become more of an issue when mods continue to get bigger and bigger. :sad: ) -Speculation of solutions- More mods being reworked to use vanilla keywords for their categories instead of custom ones for their categories could fix it. More communication between mod authors could help. An example is Tagbag just adding itself to the "Other" category of the Chemistry station instead of trying to have its own category. Bethesda getting of its *** and raising the ridicules keyword limitation could also fix it. ***Hopefully this information helps some people who are running into the keyword limitation in the workbenches. ***Thank you Kastergir for pointing out the changes to AWKCR + Armorsmith Extended + Crafting Workbenches to me. ***Sorry if I can not be of more help.

Significant changes were made to: Armorsmith Extended Armor Keywords Community Resource Crafting Workbenches The changes basically are an attempt to unify the 3 together to decrease the chances of the categories keyword limitation scrambling the crafting categories in the workbench menus. So Armor Keywords Community Resource expanded to be like Settlement Keywords for the workbenches in Armorsmith and Crafting Workbenches. (The the Junk and Ammo workbenches still use custom keywords fo the categories. The weapon and armor workbench from Crafting Workbenches is replaced by the Armorsmith and Weaponsmith workbenches from Armorsmith Extended. ) Do I know how to save and restore a working loadout? No, sorry I usually just backup the loadorder.txt and plugins.txt in C:\Users\*username*\AppData\Local\Fallout4. (Nmm does make a lloadorder.nmm.bak and plugins.nmm.bak in this directory.) I found out today having Armorkeywords.esm loaded before Homemaker would cause some Homemaker categories not to show. There has been some talk about issues with the Homemaker -SK patch inside the posts on the mod. Do have the Settlement Keywords compatibility patch for Robot Home Defence? If you don't that could be part of your issue. Maybe the Homemaker - SK-SnB Patch.esp needs to be under Snap and Build - Modules.esp? This is my current loadorder (skmerge0.6.esp is my custom compatibilty patch.): My suggestions: 1. Install Loot and see if it helps. 2. Disable all your mods if Loot does not work. 3. Renable them one at a time (starting with the settlement building mods that add categories like Homemaker) and starting Fallout 4 each time to see if categories vanish. (This will help narrow down the conflciting mods.) 4. Work with your loadorder to see if you resolve the issue. Mods that just add items to vanilla categories I think should not cause an issue. Hopefully it helps to get you in the right direction.

This is my loadorder: -Result- Armorsmith and Weaponsmith workbenches seems to be working fine with no categories renamed or changed. (Replaces the armor and weapon workbenches in Craffting Workbenches.) The bottom category in the Chemistry Station is relabeled "Warehouse Supplies" (from Homemaker) and seems to be a dumping ground for items that should be in the "Other" category. But 7 other categories show fine. **The recipes stuffed into the bottom category of the Chemistry Station that is relabeled "Warehouse Supplies" are from mods that tried to add a custom category to the Chemistry Station like Tagbag. They are not vanilla recipes. Crafting Workbenches(Ammunition and Junk) is still at 1 category. -Speculation- Could Settlement Keywords factor in? Yes, since it adds keywords. Does this glitch predate Settlement Keywords? Yes, it is the same categories(keyword) overflow glitch that players experienced in the workshop. It is the cursed result of the keyword llimitation set by Bethesda. Will any mod that adds keywords contribute to this glitch/limitation? Yes On the bright side. Things at least improved for me.