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I think anyone should make any follower mods... but I want to see ones with 10K plus voice dialogue, diverse personalities that are not just all sycophantic cookie cutters that sing too much, but with actual motivation as to WHY they are not, that look unique... nothing wrong with sexy... but Mr Universe muscles or triple E cups is not the only kind of sexy....so suire make them attractive... but without looking like they visited their local roid supplier or plastic surgeon before coming to Skyrim, with long multi-phase story arcs with multiple pathways, outcomes, and consequences, immersive AI, that makes them engage you, not just answer to you, as well the world around them, including other NPCs, not just places, along with the basic quest awareness all should have.... more than I want to see ANY other mods. So seeing Vanilla Female NPCs with Vanilla AI, Vanilla Voices, Vanilla combat and magic, Vanilla skills, and with ZERO to add but a high poly fantasy model face, and uber sexualised physique highlighted by gravity defying D Cups, come to dominate Follower mods makes me so forlorn. I rather there be NO follower mods for another two years, but the next one there is put Vilja to shame in terms of interaction, immersion, AI, and longevity, and look sexy, sure, but sexy with B or C cups, and maybe a slightly flatter butt, and be a little thinner than average, or tall enough to create the illusion of such, maybe a slightly lazy eye. Sure some things are sexy on women, and have been for centuries... but if she has nice thighs, flat stomach, accentuated hips, even those not be normal... maybe her frontal hip bones poke out like a famine victims shoulder blades, maybe her flat stomach scarred to f*ck, maybe her nice things have melanin issues and have color blotching. Gimme HER over some plastic porn star used as base in BodySlide then just Spinal Tapped all the way to 11 on top of that, with nothing else to recommend them. Same with male followers too for that matter.

Also, look up Falka Armour on the SSE Nexus. Great set of realistic practical Female armour.

I think it IS a real life picture, the armour is just LARP armour, but a very nicely realised one..... but the wearer still needs maille I say :P

Also, since the armour in the pic you posted, seems to be essentially Lamminar... or by the time armour of that style was made... Aminar... well the folde, rerebracers, pauldrons and partially the vambraces too (only two sectional segment but stil).... and there is a HUGE amount of inner arm exposure too...... then she absolutely SHOULD be wearing a hulberk over her akaton. And chaucers over her hose, if she's wearing Lamminar cuises and greaves too. SOOOOOO.... not to put too finer point on it ....but.... that armour is also unrealistic, historically inaccurate.... and.... dare I say it... unimmersive!!! :tongue: :tongue: *EDIT* OOOOOPS looks like she has a Lamminar GORGET too? Now now.. NO.. we do not want that... no no no... not without a Coif beneath. Segments allow movement, and segmented can be lighter... but moving segmented plates, need channels to move, and must mover over or under each other, that means GAPS.... significantly MORE gaps than Lamallar or Scale, and a LOT more than Brigandine, and FAR more than Plate. Gaps are death. Rondel Daggers love gaps, and hate you being alive. Lamminar needs Maille. She needs Maille. *Cries... * she's being unimmersive!!!!!!!!

All of the dialogue said in game is easily accessed and all the voice types all only have a set amount. They are not acted that amazingly either, you'd only need a pool of actors as big as bethesda used themselves, too. They'd only need to do a passing job, with 'pretty good' sound quality. That would make it worth it. The only real issue would how much more custom dialogue you added and for which NPC's. Where it MIGHT get difficult... is MAIN characters. They have UNIQUE voices... well sort of. But then again it might NOT.... I mean... you probably are NOT going to get an amateur voice actor, who could do the job the great Max Von Sydow does as Esbern. or Christopher Pumber as ol' Aggi... HOWEVER...... both of those guys, for example, have had illustrious careers spanning well over 5 decades, including major roles right up until today. There is LITERALLY thousands and thousands of hours of their voices, in HD cinema quality to boot. A half decent audio editor, with some mid range tools, even just some higher end home, rather commercial, hardware and programes, would have little issue, more than likely, in crafting hundreds of additional dialogue lines for them in their own voices. It is all quite doable.. but you need the stars to align... you need folks who are good at writing and are creative enough to come up with deeper, more immersive dialogue and narratives for the NPC to be redone... then you need at least a gifted amateur voice actor/actress with the talent, to record those lines... then you need a willing modder to take the new voice, new dialogues, and code them in to that existing NPC. That is the hard bit.

But it's not an either/or equation. I for one will say that given how rudimentary and shallow all vanilla followers are, and basically, the custom ones that rehash vanilla voice assets and use the vanilla framework, are, we ALWAYS need new followers. Vilja and Sofia and Inigo and Lucien, or Recorder and Auri and Kaidan, these should be the MAJORITY of Custom Followers. Every single one should be at least as deep and immersive as say, I dont know, Professor Doom, or Mirai, or Aurlyn Dawnstone (just let less effing buggy than the latter), but writing those names, I realise I can only name like three or four more truly Custom voiced followers *I* know of, and I actively scour Nexus for them. I think there's like one called Livia, and Ceasia, Ambriel, and Hoth, there's Neisa and Onean, Caesia, one called Evangeline, Anibriate too, and like, one Dark Elf chick who just whispers. Maybe there's more, but that's all I could find.... that's like what? 21? Check out how many Followers are on here. Maybe there's a few I missed, but I bet there's no more than 30. So actually, YES, we DEFINITELY absolutely NEED more proper custom followers. BUT... if we got them, if we had people making them again, if we had that talent bleeding over in to massive NPC revoicing project, too, then I am sure we'd get better combat dialogue as well. Once teams were assembled to actively work on ANY ONE of those three different things, there'd be a much greater chance of them working on something of the others too.

Or just get a UNP body, and dont worry about having to have XMPSSE and FNIS and extra crap.

[citations needed] Citations are needed for your claims. Which specific jurisdictions are you referring to in each of your statements? Is Nexus Mods even bound by the laws of those jurisdictions? If not, why would outside rules they apply to Nexus Mods? And which courts and which decisions, exactly? Well it depends on the angle too.... there's a few here.... mostly only because there is a paid service. Let's start with Jurisdictions. No. Nexus Mod's probably is NOT, as I believe they are Europe based? Yet I would not imagine in the UK, EU, or other EEC countries, similar laws would NOT apply in relation to minimum expectations for a paid service. In this instance, we're talking about anything from data security and handling of personal information, through functionality, based on reasonable expectation. I am sure that would differ from sovereign State to another, but there would more than likely BE laws, even if only via precedent and not code, though again, depends on how that works in jurisdiction, and there would be definite differences say between France, which uses Codified Law, and Britain which uses Common Law. As for things such as speech, again, it would come down to determinations of a reasonable expectation. Is there an established precedent that a consumer or customer, has a prerogative to use a medium provided for comment, to make justified adverse comment? Is it in the public interest for a host/market/retailer or other third party facilitator 'selling'...which is what a strong argument can be made that Premium Membership is.... a 'Product'...not enable, or support makers, manufacturers, providers, etc to suppress adverse comment in channels provided for commentary. Would this apply here? I am not sure on specifics. Yet I feel if it has not been established, it has grounds to be tested, and as I said, in other instances, Courts HAVE ruled in the negative, NO. My example of a food service sector review page, was based in a real case.... I will need to find the details, though I believe it was in the US, however, the general ratio of this specific platform and such concepts is not so far removed that it is not within possible purview of legal analysis. Again, yes, we are talking about slightly different cases in different jurisdictions, but the choice to moderate or enable an agency to do so, on a site, even one like this, can even be an issue... for example, and I am going back a way now.... but I believe there was precedent setting formative case going back almost 30 years now in the US, regarding free speech, hate speech, libel and such.... specifically, I think it was two providers, maybe AOL and Yahoo....{??}....essentially being sued for defamation. One company avoided an adverse finding because their policy was they did NOT moderate, or allow such, comments made by users.... whereas the other was not so lucky, because they DID, and that established not only responsibility, and but additional obligations, and was also then a focus for legal dialogue regarding these very issues we speak of. I will need to find the full details of all the cases......straight up though I can tell you in MY Jurisdiction....anything you 'Buy" new, has an implied warranty, and our department of fair trading and our consumer watchdog the ACCC, have repeatedly established the specifics and extent of this on a case by case basis on multiple occasions in the last 40 years. That one I can give you. The degree it applies to services is dependent on more complex issues, and it's still much more fluid than the precedent already set and well determined in relation to more concrete 'Good'.... however, this is also because it ties in with other legal and ethical considerations and often is related to sectors governed by two or three other codes and bodies relating to other aspects of their operations. Nevertheless, the weight of such might not legally apply, as you rightly demand to know, but it does give serious support to ethics of the position. I have not idea why so many of you are so incapable of seeing that.

You're right... they are using them. Using them to block, delete, edit, or otherwise manipulate, tamper, or suppress VALID negative commentary, which the OPs was, is USING their powers.... it does not mean it might well constitute abusing them either. Nexus have a lot of users PAYING for this service. I am glad I did not now. That needs to mean something. It's not LONGER a FREE service, when you offer privilege for purchase, and then have customers who do so. THEY are now PAYING you NOT to have to be compromised by silence concerning a bad upload, or dissatisfaction with something.

It's exceptionally poor form, in ANY forum, public, private, digital or material, to see dissatisfaction as insult or injury. Sorry, simple as that. When a person offers something for the consumption of other's, the public... which even on this site, we users ARE, then irrespective of the Site's owners, or the modders, or the arbiters between, or any other users for that matter, there will always be, no matter what, an implied prerogative of reply. That's human nature. And indeed, we see more and more even in digital mediums by private entities, real world courts setting precedent on this. If you offer something, and I accept it, and am then dissatisfied, your obligations are wholly dependent on the nature of the transaction, and in some jurisdictions, there is an automatic implied warranty on any "commercial" transaction (which I understand this is not, just exemplary), so even then, irrespective of parameters of the transaction within your own, or a third parties, policies, THAT is an obligation, HOWEVER, there is NO real world jurisdiction, which dictates that a 'Provider' be it seller, a gifter, or otherwise, can suppress critique by impinging upon the expression of the recipient/user/customer. In fact, in some jurisdictions, it is criminal for a third party host, to conspire with service providers, to edit, remove, hide, or otherwise tamper with critique... like a review website for example as it is deemed in the public interest for legitimate critique, favourable or NOT, to be accessible by consumers. Therefore, it is unreasonable to declare in this space, there can be no negative critique or expression of dissatisfaction with any 'Product", and to do so seems draconian and tyrannical. In fact, we have case precedent for websites being told by courts once a user who had the money expertise and time, decided to sue, that their ToS cannot trump certain given real world rights. I wonder why so many here are so scared of users being able, and more, allowed and encouraged, to express negative opinion about something they're procured from here? Very telling.

Actually the thread was locked because you started hurling abuse and ranting incoherently because your previous post was shown to be entirely irrelevant to the discussion. The fact that you think you are the victim here is ridiculous given your immature reaction to someone disagreeing with you. Neither do I. There was nothing incoherent about my post, and had the thread remained open I could have proven it, yet there was no need to, as the closer acknowledged that a Mod author HAD indeed deleted comments I made. Additionally, warning someone of skating towards foolishness, at best, or blatant hypocrisy at worse, is NOT abuse. Sorry. Anyone who claims otherwise is a fragile sheltered privileged entity that really has no right being on any kind of public forum. If you think that I am speaking about you, that just reinforces my point. You certain come across as aggressive and defensive at once, as well as very arrogant. This thread had nothing to do with you, so it doesnt matter one JOT if you understand the VERY obvious point being made by the OP. Yet as you did right through the previous, now locked, post on the same issue, you wander in, go on the attack, then play victim when warned your arguments risk making you look foolish, or worse, a hypocrite. But you have the audacity to accuse ME of such? You are making trouble, and for NO valid reason. The OP made their post SPECIFICALLY because a thread on the subject of Mod Author abuses of power, was SHUT DOWN, by Nexus, and essentially, we were told 'This doesnt happen, Mod authors have rights, it is a toold for the bullshit they deal with, and if you dont like it, lump it"........ .......Vulcan witnessed that. Lo, behold, less than two days later, his own experiences demonstrated quite clearly this was still an issue. Hence the point of the thread since it seems to have gone over your head.

Amicus? My youthful voice (nah for real, I am in my 40s and sound like I am barely a man), would not work for that I think, but I will keep an eye out an see what I can do testing my mic wise, with the simple recording capabilities I have, and if it works out, I might put my hand up for one of those apprentices.

If you had the voice talent, especially FEMALE voice talent, and modders ready got too, you could have random NPCs revoiced... that's what the OP was saying.... we just took it and went further, noting that if the stars aligned to make THAT happen, then you could also have ALL NEW NPCs and new fully custom follower mods that built on the best of the best of the last four or five years, too.

Finally, I find someone who I can believe when they say "I dont watch porn"..... HA!

Careful, this topic will be locked. I already had this out with someone, when the previous thread was locked and my criticisms cited as having been reviewed by Nexus someones, and being something THEY would have blocked or deleted too. It's a simple fact, Nexus make money off this site, the site is fueled by the mods. Thus the Mod authors are granted FAR more leeway than USERS. When I pointed out that it is the USERS who attract the adds, and users who pay for membership, I was bluntly told that the data showed ever increasing user numbers, so Nexus had no concerns about alienating any with their policies. I was also told that Mod authors are hobbyists, there's no obligation upon them, even for the most basic QA, and Nexus generally speaking has no QA policy. That unless a mod was so toxic it broke systems, then it was what it was, and all obligations regarding are upon the user. Additionally I was told, essentially, that one must be polite to mod authors at all times. This is just how it is, not matter how f*cking ridiculous that can be in some contexts. The position is less than stellar, to quote an Nexus admins criticism of me. But it is what it is. Though if more people responded like Peacebringer, maybe they'd have no choice but to review that position. I am not a premium member, though I was about ready to become one, which I shant now, and more, I will now ensure my add/pop-up blocker is active here too. I am not saying mod Authors do NOT have deal with a f*** ton of BS comments, from uneducated users blaming their mods for things they are not responsible for, or making demands, but VALID criticism, and even VALID (no f*cks given what people say, sometimes it IS valid) bollockings, are always of value to end users, and Authors having the ability to delete, or even BLOCK users over them, and it then being up to US to file a complaint for abuse, is just bad business to me, as the motivation exists for Nexus to always side with modders. I think the uploader should bare the responsibility to refer the offending posts to Nexus, and THEY then act or not. Yes, might mean you gotta work a bit harder if you're Nexus, but better than these things happening.

If you wife manages to sound like Heneri Hlaalu, I tip my hat to your patience and loving sufferance, and you are truly a man for whom beauty is more than skin deep... wait.... is that not what you're saying? Ok, right... welll...... um.... ...Ha... ah yes... let us not ever detract from the MAGNIFICENCE that is the goddess Emma, mother of Vilja...... BUT..... yeah... she really.... um... well... OK OK... let's just say it.... she needs a slap for that whole Heneri thing.... an example magnifique for why we do not cross gender voice talent with characters...... as hard as I laugh.... and in the context of Vilja.... it kinda works.... but not enough... just enough for me to use slap, singular, not plural.... ....but that's the thing.... I think there WOULD be more demand for male characters, well written and well voice acted, if there was a general uptick in good CC followers overall... it does appear that it's about 5 to 1... as in, every four or five top tier Female custom acted, written, and coded followers that make a splash.....it makes enough interest that those wanting a male one get loud enough get one. But yeah, I might need to start putting gun to the head of all the women in my life, and mic in front of them, and tell them to choose which one I pull the trigger on... ....er... well .....maybe not... we'll see...... but like I said... there seems to be a lot of creative people here who could WRITE a good story and make a good NPC or follower.... there is just a lot less voice talent, definitely female wise, and modders to give it life. If there's an increase in those, you'll something like the OP proposes happening. I definitely hope it does.

Again, to both of you though, whilst I can appreciate the suggestions... ONE... work... TWO... with whom.... Why in the ever loving f*ck would ANYONE go to that trouble, for the cookie cutter, samey same, little boxes, rehashed vanilla voice assets, waif bodied, bubble butted, big boobed, nobodies, with not a single unique feature, that being tossed up as custom female followers these days? As I said, I very much agree with the OP. They are crap, and worthless, and it's a damn shame.

Oh I have 2 TB reserve and 500GB SSD main driver so that is not an issue.... but still that's a lot of saves. Oh yeah, and as for Draconian, true hah, but context.... a LOT of mods are buggy AF in this playthrough... I have a conflict with ONE I really want to try (follower) but they kept crashing after 10-15 minutes.... (after 5 if I used the overhaul though so small win), yet nothing obvious was conflicting, another follower mod borked because I was beyond the point of quest triggers for their story, which locked away a bunch of s#*!, since I could not make it work, a cheat book I installed after I had to reinstall my game the first time, and lost my lvl 23 character and so looked for a quick regain.... well it just borks my saves now, and my follower framework is struggling too sometimes, with applying all it's features to characters... as many are forced followers made to be so by mods not normally available, I think. Also, another follower is totally screwed, and upon reading the FAQ, it's because I broke her AI by deleting objects assigned to a file path of one of her features, before removing them from such. I am thinking this time around, I managed to get my game to play nicely with about half the max mods, BUT still, because I screwed up a few places, and broke a couple of them, they've slowly been corrupting my game. Doesnt help I increased my carry weight by ten tons too, as I noticed that created issues as well at times.... but I did not have time to f*#@ around with weight lol. Maybe I just download that mod that makes everything weigh 0 to solve that, rather than console. All in all though, it IS feeling like maybe it's about time to wipe, polish and reinstall, and try to sort my issues out with some elements of the game in ways that more stable than what I chose. The aforementioned issue in my OP, is just one of many that has crawled in to my game.

I have a pre-diploma (cert IV) in Pure Screen Production, and I got half way through a degree in Theatre and Communication before my mother had her first stroke and I had to abandon both my diploma plans and my BA in Theatre, in both I was marked very highly for my writing, and I won an award for my acting.... but I feel that such a big undertaking, as you say... even if you are right... the scripting needs be good.... though I will go further and say the CONCEPT needs to be 'Right' and the script needs fit that, and then acting needs marry the two... the 'feel' the 'nuance' the concept... of the character... and how it's expressed. But ultimately, this makes BOTH as important as each other, though in my personal experience, the right kind of good performance can elevate a poor script much more often than a good script can elevate a poor performance.... yet since both ARE as important as each other... and BOTH are significant work......I would not be confident in investing in writing for any of the concepts I have, at least for stories with female characters, or for CC female Followers.... simply due the lack of any accessible and obvious voice talent. As I said, that is what seems missing. Good female voice talent. In the absence of that, it would be VERY VERY difficult to do much. Of course, that is also making the assumption that there is also the TECHNICAL talent there to make the actual mod, on the coding and such side. There seems to be very little male voice talent, seeking work, and even less female, and there also seems to not be so many modders standing up and offering to make something "Good", in terms of writing and acting talent, a reality, make it in to an actual mod. There's a lot of creative people here, and the writing, and story, requires naught but a word processor and effort, and I think MANY here could provide some AMAZING stuff that would definitely be 'Good', but without the voice actors to realise it, and modders to make it, there's no point. Hopefully somewhere along the line, there will be some bored modders and bored voice talent, that post up they are so and seeking projects... one day. Then maybe some work towards the OP's ends could get done... then flicker out... and cause wait another few years for the next lot etc etc etc etc. If it ever happens... that's how it will happen.

So I just began the Dawnguard DLC after playing for weeks ignoring it.... and I did the opening mission, I found Serana, I escorted her back to Castle Volkar, and I refused Harkon, and got banished. When I returned to the Dawnguard, instead of Isran then sending me to find Sorine and Gunmar..... nothing.... he is just sitting in his room up stairs inside. He doesnt ask me about what I found, no option to mention Serana or the Elder Scroll, not fetching the two people he needs.... nothing. Now, I have to admit I did NOT travel directly to him AFTER exile from Volkar.... I stopped.... help the Custom follower Vilja send her little sister home, which meant traveling to Dawnstar, and then split up with her, and dropped something off in Dragonbridge, then spent the night in Whiterun, and then stopped off at a custom house just outside of Riften, to make sure my guards had not killed Sapphire from the Thieves Guild, or tried to, as she now lives there and they HAD tried to before...... but I use iNeed and if I do NOT take my time on map long journeys, I arrive at hectic moments, or the start of missions, exhausted, hungry and thirsty, and suffering for it. Yet nothing about any of that SHOULD stop the Dawnguard missions triggering. I should also say that I had to restart those missions from an older save, as I was crashing during the Moth Priest recuse.... probably because I had Sernana and THREE other custom followers with me.... and kept crashing when I tried to abort my mission, and fast travel away with them, so I could dismiss them. So I just figure time to restart that whole questline from an older save. Which I did. But NOW I have this problem. Is there any way I can force it to trigger?

Guess I'll have to. More and more seems bugged. I need to disable Autosave too, so it doesnt save them in. I have something like 201 saves on this play through. Maybe I will uninstall ALL mods, and just reinstall the whole game.

It doesn't matter whether a follower comes with large or small or ginormous manga breasts out of the box because, unless a person is lazy or unwilling to learn, that follower's body can be tailored to have EXACTLY the dimensions that one finds appealing or interesting. Even I've succeeded in doing it, and I'm just a wee bit shy of village idiocy with respect to 3D modeling. For "ease of use" and sanity it's best to focus on designing a desired "replacer" body in BodySlide, one body to rule them all (with wide weight variation), and then also apply that same body to the desired follower if she uses a custom body, and then finally use BodySlide to tailor the vanilla or replacer and all standalone clothing to fit that body. Having done that, there will be peace of mind knowing that any NPC or follower can wear anything without issues of clipping or distracting changes in morphology... and hopefully no distracting neck or other seams to be fixed. That requires not only skills, but other programes too, some of us just do not have that in us, or perhaps do not have the hardware, or room, or whatnot. It would be nice if the Hentai crowd was not the only sector making Female followers these days. I am sure for people with the nouse and time and capabilities their end.... conversion is an option, but for lot's of us, that simply put, is WAY too much hard work.... especially since there's no good fully custom voice acted female followers being made anyway. If the 2020 version of Vilja comes out, or Sofia, or a new Recorder, then sure, yes, we might be tempted to at least try, though I suspect half a dozen replacers/reimaginings would pop up within a week or two anyway, making it moot.... but for the same old same old, rehashed vanilla voice assets, limited interaction UI, cookie cutter followers we're getting? Easier to just ignore that trash.

You cannot really SEE very much of the outfit. Do you have a better picture? I have some idea as to how you might actually make something reasonably close to this, if I can only see what she is wearing..... I am assuming that's just a short dress with a plunging neckline? There's a few options for something close to this. A few of the pieces in THIS collection, come close, if you're running UNP, and I believe a CBBE version exists, there MIGHT be a Vanilla one too.... between the main and the DLC collection, you'll come close on the dress.... https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/32205?tab=posts Another UNP one, but the same is available in CBBE..... this dress comes kinda close doesnt it? https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/25511 Or the dress from this too. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/25874 again, UNP, but available with CBBE too.. .....in fact I think all of these have conversions to full UUNP and CBBCE for physics too if you have that set up. Yet another UNP set, well this is in fact a whole store, with three NPC merchants, that has a spare bed too, and crafting capabilities.... it's an excellent mod... AND... you WILL find boots AND gloves that come close to the pic here as well. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/9213 That last one also has cloaks and capes, including a couple that come VERY close to that picture. Those should be a good start, try them out and see if they are not able to get you close... at least much closer than what you seem to be saying you found. Good luck.

I am sure it can be made Lore friendly in terms of the TES series, but I doubt it can be in terms of the Skyrim environment..... and more, I doubt anyone could ever call Skimpy armour practical. Armour that is Skimpy.... KIND of has historical precedent..... that is to say.... the early mirror armours would just be a leather harness of small mirrors in key positions on the torso, often three dimensional and shaped liked mythical beasts...... and would be worn with just a skirt.... by men actually.... with them only wearing a simple helmet and greaves and vambracers..... BUT.... ONLY with a HUGE shield. In fact, Celts, despite inventing maille.... often fought NAKED...... but ALWAYS behind a HUGE SHIELD.... remove the huge shield, and skimpy armour is as practical as a screen door on a submarine and there's no way around it.

OK So in the last few days, I have developed a bug where Dragons, will flee, not just flee, cricle, and press the attack....but flee way over the mountains right way across the map..... miles and miles away in to the nearest mountains. Yet my game doesnt break off the attack.... they're a tiny dull red dot, way away from anywhere I can catch them. Worse, when I use Dragonrend on them, lvl 3 and all, they do this too. More... if they're already on the ground, and I use Dragonrend to keep them there, they immediately become airborne and then proceed to do the above. If I run the other way until I am so far away from where the engagement began, it finally ends... I CTD a few seconds later. If I fast travel close to where the Dragon looks to be... it is gone... I fast travel back to where the encounter began, and it's there.....but if I fail to kill it fast, it will repeat the process all over again, then I have to. It is taking me an hour to kill some Dragons because of this, but I cannot just leave it, or I crash. HELP!