Terramaris

In response to post #25007544. #25007814 is also a reply to the same post. Seems to be a great deal of Strawman in your post mate: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman You took a very complex point of view, and boiled it down to "people don't want to pay for stuff".

In response to post #24899589. #24901179, #24901724 are all replies on the same post. My point exactly xD

In response to post #24887504. #24889644 is also a reply to the same post. @DC There already is? Unless you are referring to Workshop.

In response to post #24888079. #24888499, #24888584, #24888714, #24889009, #24889094 are all replies on the same post. Point is, we need everyone to move on. If just one or two people move on, then that is nothing. Community is still tearing itself apart over this fiasco with no end in sight. What is the end goal? What will stop the cycle? The community doesn't win until we put down out pitchforks.

In response to post #24888079. #24888499, #24888584 are all replies on the same post. It ain't flame bait Wight. The community has been badly damaged, and in order to heal we just need to move on. As I said in my post on the other thread, where does this end? If Valve/Bethesda adds paid mods in what will happen? Another boycott. When they remove the paid workshop, the paid modders will boycott like they are doing right now. This doesn't end if we keep bickering about the merits/faults of paywalling. If saying the community will tear itself apart if we keep arguing is controversial enough that it is considered flamebaiting, then this community is already dead and buried. @Cads, we have over 8000 posts on paid mods all together on Nexus alone. Odds are you will be drowned out or what you said has already been said a few thousand posts earlier. As I said, we gain nothing and loose everything if we keep putting fuel on this fire.

>Thread is about moving on. >People are still bickering. When will it end? Are we just in a cycle of arguing?

In response to post #24871519. "Tomorrow is a new day, and New Modders will be born." So it seems we will have to wait about 15 or so years for those New Modders to have the physical maturity to make mods then. Nexus 2030, here we come!

Darn, I had a 500+ word draft on my computer about how to implement a Paetron system into Nexus, and was interviewing modders to get their opinions before I post the thread. Since it is up to Bethesda, I believe I will not be needing to post it anymore. Seems redundant if you already agree with it.

Almost 2000 comments, mods are hidden on here due to anti-anti-paywall boycott, hot files being anti-paywall boycott propaganda instead of good mods... Where does it end? Let us say Paywalls are back on Workshop tomorrow: we will have another boycott, when it is removed the Paywallers will counter boycott. What I am trying to say is when will we heal? Last month we were a tight nit community, capable of some real heart warming things... does anyone remember when we made "Bear - In memory of Taylor" file of the month? That moved me to tears, showed how compassionate we could be. Now look at us, what is our end result going to be? An endless circle of boycotts that ends with us forever torn asunder??? Now I hold blame too, I went from eighty posts last week to about two hundred something just from trying to spread the boycott gospel. I give up though. I am now officially boycotting boycotting, and I urge you lot to do the same. We were divided, but now we need to reconcile. So thats it, I am out and I am hoping others come with. Feel free to neg vote me, ignore this post, whatever. I wont stop ya... I did enough debating last week to last me a life time.

In response to post #24839629. Not at all, anyone who calls you a leacher would be delusional. You done more than most people by getting a premium tag. You are supporting the #1 mod download site for the Elder Scrolls series. If you are a leach, then I definitely am one.

In response to post #24827544. #24828559, #24828899, #24829149, #24829774, #24830084, #24830089, #24830244, #24830269, #24830279, #24830434, #24830474, #24830494, #24830544, #24830624, #24830709, #24830784, #24830789, #24830854, #24830894 are all replies on the same post. @Foster One of the problems with paid mods was a precedent it setup: Suppose a company, ElectronicSoft, wants to release day 1 DLC. They know they are going to get flak so instead they get a shell company: Ubigames to release the DLC as a paid "mod". If they get flak, Electronicsoft can just say "Oh no, we are against Day1 DLC, but we fully support modders getting paid for their work". As you can see, this problem is a whole lot larger than modders wanting some cash. This sets a bad precedent and for that reason must be stopped in it's tracks. They can also do this with their DLC, cut out the time and cost running the already poor quality beta testing of DLC and just release it through their shell company as a 3rd Party DLC while reaping all the profits minus Valve's (if they don't decide to cut out the middle man) cut and have none of the accountability. So while this program is allegedly built on good intentions (let us face it, Valve and Bethesda did this as a cash grab), much like the PATRIOT Act, there is a lot of wiggle room to put in less than favourable business practices. ========= So yes, paywalling had to go for the greater good. The gaming industry is exploitative, and will wiggle into everything they can to make a profit. Now this does not mean that we are against modder compensation. One of the problems with this whole fiasco was the strawmen setup by both parties. Now I am not talking about donations, anyone here who believes the status quo worked is being naive at best. A system similar to Patreon, which Youtubers and Minecraft modders have been using would be a well recieved solution. My economics professor gave me a fun quote that I will never forget "Always use the right tool for the job, never use a hammer to put in a screw if there is a screw driver near by". He meant this mostly in marketing by giving the example of using Television to advertise your company in a town of luddites, but the same can be applied here. Paywalling is using a hammer to put in a screw, when there are other tools available.

In response to post #24774814. #24776789, #24777459, #24811584, #24811694, #24811904, #24811959, #24813484, #24818104, #24818664, #24818959, #24820849, #24824549, #24826069 are all replies on the same post. @Dragon The goose is dead indeed. Been stalking hot files, and to be honest nothing really new is on there. You have 3 boycott mods and an upload of Purity (which is a combination of files we already had on Nexus). Only 2 new mods as the Serena one and Double Jump. I feel as if the modders have packed up. While I agreed with the boycott, the sheer venom I believe killed what they were defending. Sure, paid mods are gone. It seems free mods though are gone as well... Could just be a slow week and I am over exaggerating too.

In response to post #24784099. #24784289, #24785139, #24810294, #24811099, #24812869, #24813719, #24813764 are all replies on the same post. Posting here so I can save this quote on my profile. Amazingly written.

In response to post #24808369. What part of this is not real?

In response to post #24806924. #24807009, #24807074 are all replies on the same post. @Marstonn I would support paywalls if 5% of the revenue went to mandatory enter key awareness lessons. xD