Persistent CTD at the exact same spot

[CaptainPatch]

First, LOTS of mods installed, but all thoroughly Cleaned with no BOSS Warnings. One of the mods is the Alternate Start, so that may very well be the culprit.

 

The point of CTD is when the MC has just delivered the news of the dragon attack to the Jarl of Whiterun. He just gets done ordering, "Irilith, send a detachment of men to Riverwood at once." The CTD is practically the period that closes the sentence. Three tries, and each concludes with that CTD at that point.

 

Anyone else experience this CTD and figure out which mod is responsible for the CTD? Any way to test which program call it is that trips the CTD?

[drbeavis]

Have you looked at the Papyrus logs? I had a similar issue where my game would crash when an Assassin tried to attack me at the same spot, I found out which mod was bugging my game (Here There Be Monsters) and fixed it right up. The harder dragon (I forget what its called) was also screwing with things which I found with my log files.

[CaptainPatch]

[i believe you're referring to "Deadly Dragons", (which BOSS indicated was problematic, so I dumped it).

 

How do I generate a Papyrus log? Sort of figured there was _something_ that did so, but I'm too unfamiliar with the plethora of diagnostic tools that are available, where to find the correct one, and the details of how to run it. So... ?

[dave1029]

It's a single mod, might be unrelated to that area. It's not alternate start. I would suggest going through the painful process of unchecking mods one by one that you think might be the problem. I remember whiterun outskirts market mod made me crash near bleakwind basin every time.

[CaptainPatch]

I would suggest going through the painful process of unchecking mods one by one that you think might be the problem.

Ow. 121 mods. Minus "safe" mods like the Unofficial patches, it looks like I might be busy for awhile playing hide-and-go-seek.

 

Can anyone direct me to the program where I can generate the Papyrus logs?

[EvilWolf2]

"Open Skyrim.ini (My Documents/My Games/Skyrim) and add the following to it:

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1"

 

There are a few other commands you can use as well but that should give you the gist of what's going on...

 

The output will be in "Logs/Script" of the same folder. The latest one will be the lowest number (0 is the last time you opened the game.)

Not sure if it needs to be said or not... but you open the file with notepad, but to be honest the formatting is much better if you used notepad++ or something like that to read it...

 

EDIT: Don't let the papyrus log fool you and make you go around deleting the last mod it mentions though... In my experience the ONLY thing the papyrus log is any good at doing in practice is spotting something that caused a CTD due to certain scripts spamming over and over again. All of the other errors I've ever had were completely unrelated to what the papyrus log was telling me. Sometimes it doesn't even show anything is wrong when you have a CTD. It might be different for you and it might tell you exactly what the problem is, I'm just saying don't get to remove happy with the mods...

Edited June 18, 2013 by EvilWolf2

[CaptainPatch]

Hmm. Quite odd. I located the .ini file, and those lines were _already_ there. The only difference was that instead of

 

bLoadDebuginformation=1"

 

it said

 

bLoadDebuginformation = 1 (Notice the spaces around the = sign. And no closing ".)

 

Looked further and saw the logs further down the chain. (Logs\Script) Those are some long-winded files! There were four (0,1,2,3) and it seemed like each one ended with a different reason why the game crashed. [i'm assuming that, "VM is thawing. VM is freezing. VM is frozen." is the game about to CTD (though that sounds more like a game freeze about to happen.]

 

I trashed those four files and am now going to go crash the game four more times to generate fresh logs.

 

FOLLOWUP: The nice thing about a consistent CTD is that you can Save just moments before the crash point. In this case, just 24 seconds. Makes this kind of testing go quick.

 

Zo, logs:

 

Um, no logs. Checking the .ini to see if something changed there.

 

More odd. I've tried the .ini three ways -- with the spaces around the = sign, without spaces, and without the spaces and with the " as shown in your example. No new logs. Also, I looked closer at the date of creation for those four logs and saw that they dated December 9th and 10th from last year. Given that the game has been started 200+ times since then (AND there's been scores of CTDs since then), that would seem to indicate that logs are turned off ... somewhere. Beats me where that is though.

 

Any ideas?

 

AHA! AHA! AHA!

Several hours of hide-and-go-seek in Win 7's crappy Windows Explorer and I discover _why_ I wasn't finding what I was looking for.

 

I got and installed Skyrim on Day One, 11/11/2011. Several months later I upgraded my PC and the tech that did the initial setup placed ALL of my desktop programs (which included current games) into a single folder and then didn't tell me where he had put them. I thought they had all been deleted, so I reinstalled everything to the desktop. Then a few months ago my motherboard fried and needed to be replaced and again the tech swept everything into a single folder. But this time I realized what he had done and I knew to just pull the more recent installation from the catchall folder and put Skyrim back on the desktop. What I did NOT know was that for whatever reason, Steam/Skyrim was ignoring that desktop folder and instead was utilizing the Skyrim installation that was buried in the catchall folder inside the catchall folder. Updates, patches, mods were all drilling down that deep to make game changes. [What gave it away was seeing where the Saves were being placed.] The gist of it is that I was looking for functionality where there was none. Ergo, trying to do the Papyrus stuff was going nowhere.

 

Now the .ini has been adjusted and the logs are appearing as required. Here's the last couple lines of each of four logs:

 

Papyrus.0

 

Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:41PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:41PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:41PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:41PM] MC1: Polling Script Running V2

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:42PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:42PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:42PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:43PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:43PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:43PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:44PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:44PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:44PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:45PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:45PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:45PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:46PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:46PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:46PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:46PM] MC1: Polling Script Running V2

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:47PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:47PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44

[06/18/2013 - 04:06:47PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call

stack:

[aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

Papyrus.1

Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:05:27PM] Error: Cannot call isDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:05:27PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:05:27PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:05:28PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:05:28PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:05:28PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:05:29PM] MC1: Polling Script Running V2/ [06/18/2013 - 04:05:29PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:05:29PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:05:29PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

Papyrus.2

Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:02:53PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:02:53PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:02:53PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:02:54PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:02:54PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:02:54PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:02:55PM] MC1: Polling Script Running V2/ [06/18/2013 - 04:02:55PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:02:55PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:02:55PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

Papyrus.3

Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:26PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:26PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:26PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:27PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:27PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:27PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:28PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:28PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:28PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:29PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:29PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44 [06/18/2013 - 04:00:29PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:30PM] MC1: Polling Script Running V2/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:30PM] Error: Cannot call IsDoingFavor() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44 [06/18/2013 - 04:00:30PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp11"/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 44/ [06/18/2013 - 04:00:30PM] Error: Cannot call Alias_Follower() on a None object, aborting function call/ stack: [aaSex (06000D62)].aasexscript.OnUpdate() - "aaSexScript.psc" Line 63

Sooooo, the recurring Error is that "cannot call Alias_Follower". At that moment of CTD, the only Follower that is tagging along is Faedal, but I can't see why he is being called at that moment. The Jarl is _about_ to tell the MC to see the Court Wizard to look into dragons, but we never get that far.

I'm wondering if I Dismiss or have Faedal wait outside that _might_ be a temporary fix. But I would prefer to permanently fix the problem if at all possible.

[P.S. What is with the spoilers? After the first one, you can't actually Hide text if there are _any_ paragraph breaks within the block of text. To Hide the #1-3 logs, I had to manually remove every paragraph break within each log.]

Edited June 19, 2013 by CaptainPatch

[CaptainPatch]

Hmm. Looks like I'm on my own from this point.

 

Thanks to those that gave advice. I appreciate the assistance in trying to sort this mess out.

[b2kcommander]

that sounds like the problem i had...

 

look here at my post configue it for your grafic card and enjoy ;)

 

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/1018913-why-does-my-skyrim-lag-so-much/

[chikawowwow]

@Captain -

Have you tried starting a new game and testing that part without disabling mods? I ask as you said you dumped Deadly Dragons and I'm not sure whether you started again after that. Just in case you are not aware, in Skyrim scripts persist in save games so even if you disable a mod a potentially CTD script will still be in that game.

 

You have "aaSexScript.psc" script popping up in all your papyrus logs so I assume you have a rather... cheeky mod installed. Uninstall that mod and start a new game, if that doesn't work let us know.