[LE] Collections on NexusMods !

[maxarturo]

I can't and will not force anyone to change or take my opinion and point of view!!!, but i come from a place where entire generations died to give birth to today's civilization and to established and preserve all basic human rights, which are now been violated here !!!!.

Unfortunately my dear friends, you are all looking at the forest and you are all missing the rotten tree...

My conscious and my system of intellectual values does not allows me to support this, my intellectual heritage is way too heavy!!!, so i will no longer help produce modders for Nexus or help and/or keep providing content for it.

*** My art however will keep growing and growing, and it will be out there !!, luckily i'm starting with the whole russian community at my side in this, that will help in this even if they don't like my work.

My ACT II is almost finished and is at its final full complete version, and i have a lot of things already ready for ACT III.

Sorry my friends..., a lot of you know me and some know who i really am..... and what i've done in the modding / gaming scene until today, but above all you all know what's my stand behind sharing knowledge and knowhow, and help produce better future modders.

Thank you all very much and goodbye my friends.

Edited July 3, 2021 by maxarturo

[Lierin]

Speaking as a mod creator, I am furious. While I'm rather new to this, I've received some impressive feedback and support from those who have downloaded my mods to date. I have 16 other mods that will never be uploaded to nexus unless they pull their heads out ~ which is unlikely given the response so far. I will upload to another site and/or pay for my own. The idea that anyone can modify my mods to create patches, the idea that I had to fill out the permissions section during the upload process and now nexus itself is saying suck it up buttercup, and the idea that I get to see only complaint comments from users who are too lazy to bother learning how to set up a load order correctly is rather mind blowing at best. I can't state what I'd like to as far as at worst here.

Just to be clear, my permissions specifically state that my mods are not to be changed and uploaded anywhere else, even with credit given. The fact that nexus is now giving anyone and everyone permission to do exactly that if I refuse to do patches myself is beyond the pale. Like others ~ I'm out.

[BigBizkit]

Just to be clear, my permissions specifically state that my mods are not to be changed and uploaded anywhere else, even with credit given. The fact that nexus is now giving anyone and everyone permission to do exactly that if I refuse to do patches myself is beyond the pale. Like others ~ I'm out.

 

Could you please elaborate where you got that, because none of that applies or was communicated by us. Your permissions in regards to your mods/other users are and will still be enforced. The only thing that is changing is that you can now archive files instead of deleting them. That does not mean "anyone and everyone" gets permission to upload or change your mods.

[Tasheni]

Here is a very interesting article about collections Arthmoor wrote in September 2019:

https://www.afkmods.com/index.php?/topic/5529-my-view-on-mod-packs/

 

I was so busy with mod creating that this whole thing simply bypassed me. This comes amiss, but it makes no sense to be outraged. We need a solution.

And we need an objective discussion without personal feelings involved (of course we all feel about this, but please stay objective when writing.) I will try that, too.

I was busy the last two days with reading TOS of other known platforms and I found only three with acceptible terms: AFK Mods, TESAlliance and Wolflore. MODDB will sell your work through subsidiary companies, as well as other platforms will (Discord does, too), so permissions of other mod authors who's assets are included in own mods can't be granted, as well as music or sound from others. And your own stuff can't be controlled well either.

AFK Mods don't permit other language but english, so no translations are possible. And those smaller comunity have a file size limit of mostly 512 mb. My isles world mod has 1,3 GB, my followers mod 800 mb and I will merge them for the story to take place - big problem.

Other platforms will not have the same number of users and I fear feedback is limited.

 

But if we who decided or decide to leave nexus behind spread in all directions, comunity will be destroyed, at least for us. Further collaborations, exchange of knowledge and experience will be difficult. And surley we will loose track of one another, maybe not all, but surley some of us.

I will not waste my time to try anything else here, staff made clear how it goes. I want to put my strength now into finding a solution that is acceptable.

 

You are welcome to join me. Every thought that's worth to think about is welcome. I will not give up modding for the comunity, it's my passion and part of my life. And I don't like to see how the comunity is destroyed. If you are interested, I have no problem to openly discuss this just right here in this forum. If you have reservations we could setup an IRC channel. I would not like to go on Discord, they even read what people write in their PMs. But if we discuss openly, they will as well.

You may also PM me here, if you don't want to comment openly.

 

To get that clear: I don't have a specific idea right now myself, it's all too fresh. I'm collecting thoughts and ideas. And I'm not a leader. To solve problems, you must have as much information as possible so you can make the right decisions. Different views on that matter are essential. Let's be professional to save our rights and our comunity.

[agerweb]

Speaking as a mod creator, I am furious. While I'm rather new to this, I've received some impressive feedback and support from those who have downloaded my mods to date. I have 16 other mods that will never be uploaded to nexus unless they pull their heads out ~ which is unlikely given the response so far. I will upload to another site and/or pay for my own. The idea that anyone can modify my mods to create patches, the idea that I had to fill out the permissions section during the upload process and now nexus itself is saying suck it up buttercup, and the idea that I get to see only complaint comments from users who are too lazy to bother learning how to set up a load order correctly is rather mind blowing at best. I can't state what I'd like to as far as at worst here.

 

Just to be clear, my permissions specifically state that my mods are not to be changed and uploaded anywhere else, even with credit given. The fact that nexus is now giving anyone and everyone permission to do exactly that if I refuse to do patches myself is beyond the pale. Like others ~ I'm out.

My understanding is that the mods themselves are not being changed, but patches made, which is something that has been done for years, creating an esp as a patch doesn't require the permission of the author of the mod your patching because your not changing their esp. As far as I can see Nexus are not changing anyones esp/esms or uploading to anywhere other than the Nexus. The Skyrim world is so busy with mods now anything is bound to conflict with something else and if authors don't patch them then somebody else will; the only alternative is to drop one or more mods from your load order.

 

The only problem I have with it is that players (if they are premium) will not necessarily have to visit the mods page and be encouraged to look at what else I have done. But I can't get sufficiently excited about that.

[ReDragon2013]

BigBizkit wrote: "you can now archive files instead of deleting them."

For sure a mod author is able to set the whole mod hidden or he/she can delete them completely. There is no given option (for the mod maintainer) to delete a single uploaded file-archive (do it for all or nothing).
If you do not want to delete them all you can set uploaded files to archive state, which will be shown as existing files, but they cannot be acessed by normal download. In fact the nexusmods own download manager "vortex" may have access to these only.

and again by BigBizkit: "That does not mean 'anyone and everyone' gets permission to upload or change your mods."

That's not the question. The main think is you (the maintainer of nexusmods) want to push mods collection regardeless a mod author give approval or not for such task!

 

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Thank you maxarturo for focussing to the news written by BigBizkit (2021 - July 01).

Thank you Tasheni and others to share your minds to this topic.

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Unfortunately news text about collections is very large. Imho if somebody cannot write the important facts like KISS "Keep it Short and Simple" there seems to be something is strange here.

As I understand right, the maintainer of Nexusmods are working on the idea of "collections" since two years. Wow.

 

My english skill is too limited to express my opinion in good words. So I want to take text from others that have been posted to the nexusmod news (https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14538).

 

maaaaaaaaap posted: 03 July 2021, 9:22AM
"The problem is that Nexus (in time, wait and see!) will be offering extra content they themselves did not create for their premium users, which means they will earn money on other peoples' works - which is about as close to the definition of piracy as you can get. I would NOT be so oppposed to this if they provided this free for everyone, also non-Vortex users, but the minute someone pays Nexus for content I made using Bioware's and other mod-makers' assets, they are in fact asking me to break the agreement I have with Bioware that the stuff I make with their tools is for non-commercial use only. And disrespecting those whose works I have used and credited. Nexus should have stayed what is was - a damn good place for sharing new concepts/ideas, art in different forms - and of course, mods. Where the creators themselves decided what happens to their work."

jloz94 posted: 02 July 2021, 9:26PM
"This reeks of cynicism. There is no argument for not allowing us to decide later, or at least until the future terms become more clear. We will split this community apart if this course is not corrected. The issue isn't even whether mod collections or their donations systems should exist, we are now purely protesting over how it was pushed on us."

Thaiauxn posted: 02 July 2021, 3:35PM

Adjusted-proposal for the nexus collection system

#1 -- Let mods opt in/out of the collection system.
"Not every mod works in a collection, because not every mod works with a mod manager. The 4GB LAA Patch for New Vegas doesn't work with Vortex or any other mod manager because it is an executable that must be run from the desktop and write to the game's exe. Fallout: New California is the same way. Letting us flag mods as compatible (or willing) to be added to a collection just saves the Nexus time and prevents collections from breaking.

A simple checkbox "[ ] Opt-in to the Collection System," should appear next to all uploaded files."

#2 -- Mod authors may archive older versions and forward collection links to the desired version.
"Again, not every version should persist. Version 221 of a mod may have severe bugs that cause a quest to break or spawn missing meshes and textures. We probably archived this version for a good reason, so when a mod is part of a collection that targets the download link, the user may forward to a specific updated file. This works for every collection the mod is currently in. So if a collection targets version 221, it is automatically forwarded to version 231. This address forwarding should link to any version in the achieve or current latest version, via a drop-down list in the manage files section."

#3 -- Mod authors may permanently delete their mods.
"There is absolutely no ethical or legal reason to pursue this change to the TOS. None. It infringes on the EU law which gives people the right to be forgotten and have their private data removed, and it infringes on the rights of modder to control their property, and the safety of users and modders alike who may need to remove a file if it is found to contain private data that should not be released to the public or malware that was unknown at the time. This should not require admin approval or moderator help. This saves Nexus time and money and restore the freedom of mod authors."

These changes to this system are simple, rational, and solve the vast majority of complaints here. I do not know what the Nexus believes is 'the right thing',
but it certainly is not what is posted above using ultimatums and changes to the TOS done in private. Make these changes, and the system becomes rational, ethical, 
and along with an apology from nexus staff will smooth over the wrinkles as much as possible. Nexus may never restore the trust of authors after this, but this 
proposal at least shows a willingness to work with the community, instead of forcing changes to TOS that are ethically dubious and simply unfriendly.

Ac3s posted: 02 July 2021, 10:06PM
"Lets say for the sake of argument, someone makes many mods, nexus bans the account for whatever reason but Nexus keeps his mods online because mod packs (collections) are using those mods.
Theft pure and simple, packaged in the disguise of 'mod packs'."

Edited July 24, 2021 by ReDragon2013

[HadToRegister]

 

 

Also, I think there was a clause in the TOS that most of us signed off on that allows Nexus permanent access to our files. I don't have a copy of an old TOS but if anyone does, it would be interesting to post it for review.

 

It's been posted in other threads

The old ToS said we could remove, delete etc and that we had all rights to our files, it was changed to "Infinite" a while ago when most of us already had a ton of mods uploaded.

 

So the "Infinite Access" was Years AFTER the fact of a lot of us uploading our mods to the site.

[Lierin]

Speaking as a mod creator, I am furious. While I'm rather new to this, I've received some impressive feedback and support from those who have downloaded my mods to date. I have 16 other mods that will never be uploaded to nexus unless they pull their heads out ~ which is unlikely given the response so far. I will upload to another site and/or pay for my own. The idea that anyone can modify my mods to create patches, the idea that I had to fill out the permissions section during the upload process and now nexus itself is saying suck it up buttercup, and the idea that I get to see only complaint comments from users who are too lazy to bother learning how to set up a load order correctly is rather mind blowing at best. I can't state what I'd like to as far as at worst here.

 

Just to be clear, my permissions specifically state that my mods are not to be changed and uploaded anywhere else, even with credit given. The fact that nexus is now giving anyone and everyone permission to do exactly that if I refuse to do patches myself is beyond the pale. Like others ~ I'm out.

 

 

 

Just to be clear, my permissions specifically state that my mods are not to be changed and uploaded anywhere else, even with credit given. The fact that nexus is now giving anyone and everyone permission to do exactly that if I refuse to do patches myself is beyond the pale. Like others ~ I'm out.

 

Could you please elaborate where you got that, because none of that applies or was communicated by us. Your permissions in regards to your mods/other users are and will still be enforced. The only thing that is changing is that you can now archive files instead of deleting them. That does not mean "anyone and everyone" gets permission to upload or change your mods.

 

Of course you didn't state that or communicate it outright. The fact is that if someone wants to use one of my mods, forcibly 'archived' by nexus when you took away the delete button and didn't tell anyone until AFTER that was done, and it requires a patch to work in one of their mod packs, they will do so.

 

Doing so means they alter my mod, without my permission, and make that available to others. I have NO problem with someone doing that for their own game ~ never have and never will. What I have a problem with is you and your team allowing others to do things with my mods while at the same time taking away my control to do what I want with them!

 

I don't sell my mods. I don't ask for donation points. The one reason they were uploaded to nexus was my wish to share for those who decided they liked my work. I took a lot of care, and spent literally hours creating homes that weren't cookie cutter places and now you've confiscated them. It doesn't matter what sort of pretty propaganda you spew about it, how much you protest and try to make yourself the victim, or what sprinkles you try and dump on top of the mess ~ nexus has taken every mod author's work for themselves. It is not 'ok'. It will never be 'ok'.

 

I have helped people straighten out their load orders. I have helped others learning to mod (albeit with the understanding that I'm still learning myself). I've worked my old grandma butt off figuring out how to use the Creation Kit and am pretty proud of doing so! You've taken that away as well. Enjoy the ones you will keep in your records because they are the only ones you will get. I have more that are completed and I was ready to upload, and more that are nearing completion. They will be uploaded, but not for you and your team, and never again on nexus ~ and the ones that you have control of will get NO further support from me on this site ~ ever. There is right, and there is wrong; regardless of your motives or intentions. You chose wrong. Being militantly wrong is always an option, but I will not support you in it or anyone else's endeavors to change the modding world.

 

The fact that those who choose premium will still have access to those 'archived' ~ not deleted ~ files means that nexus absolutely is making a profit on this. You get premium membership fees via people who want all of those mods for their little 'collection'. The big spotted elephant is right there in the center of the mess and all the words you post around it aren't hiding it.

 

I've got absolutely nothing against mod 'collections'/packs. When I first started modding my game they would have been a huge plus ~ as well as a giant rock tied around my ankle while I was trying to learn. Most likely I would never have learned to properly put together a load order. I'm not against making that choice available, only against losing my control over what I create.

 

Give mod authors that control. Give us an opt-out/opt-in choice!

 

Many have stated they are entirely on board with the idea. Allowing those who are not to keep their mods out of these 'collections', and giving us the right to hide or delete our work when necessary would mean you might still keep your modding community robust and supporting your site instead of leaving.

 

While I disagree with your choices, your reply was appreciated.

[Lierin]

 

Speaking as a mod creator, I am furious. While I'm rather new to this, I've received some impressive feedback and support from those who have downloaded my mods to date. I have 16 other mods that will never be uploaded to nexus unless they pull their heads out ~ which is unlikely given the response so far. I will upload to another site and/or pay for my own. The idea that anyone can modify my mods to create patches, the idea that I had to fill out the permissions section during the upload process and now nexus itself is saying suck it up buttercup, and the idea that I get to see only complaint comments from users who are too lazy to bother learning how to set up a load order correctly is rather mind blowing at best. I can't state what I'd like to as far as at worst here.

 

Just to be clear, my permissions specifically state that my mods are not to be changed and uploaded anywhere else, even with credit given. The fact that nexus is now giving anyone and everyone permission to do exactly that if I refuse to do patches myself is beyond the pale. Like others ~ I'm out.

My understanding is that the mods themselves are not being changed, but patches made, which is something that has been done for years, creating an esp as a patch doesn't require the permission of the author of the mod your patching because your not changing their esp. As far as I can see Nexus are not changing anyones esp/esms or uploading to anywhere other than the Nexus. The Skyrim world is so busy with mods now anything is bound to conflict with something else and if authors don't patch them then somebody else will; the only alternative is to drop one or more mods from your load order.

 

The only problem I have with it is that players (if they are premium) will not necessarily have to visit the mods page and be encouraged to look at what else I have done. But I can't get sufficiently excited about that.

 

The problem with that is several of my mods that have been uploaded are with the permission of original authors for work and items contained in them. I got that permission ~ those who create patches do NOT have it, nor would they have access to my mods if I had not obtained that permission! There is a large list of mods that do not use only vanilla or only open source assets.

 

The permissions given to individuals by artists is for that individual ~ no one else. That includes random patching. If I chose to make a patch I have that permission. No one else does, and no one else should outside of their own personal load order. As I stated to BigBizkit, nexus is now openly giving that permission, whether it is stated or just implied. He has turned me into a liar, and I don't much appreciate that.

[ReDragon2013]

I want to focus you again to this topic (and the nexusmods news from 01 July 2021).

 

BigBizkit wrote (as answer here at 06 July 2021): "The only thing that is changing is that you can now archive files instead of deleting them."

Edited July 24, 2021 by ReDragon2013