About IKAROS Race

[AlluraValiant]

 

 

 

Do the mod authors have the right to delete their product though?

What about the rights of the fans and fellow gamers to have that product available at all times.

 

Does not exist. You have zero right to someone else's intellectual property. Copyright belongs to the author.

 

 

So what is it when I have their "property" on my computer?

 

 

They have given permission for you to download and use it. That does not mean they have to give permission for everyone else to do so forever. By deleting their mods they are revoking permission for anyone to obtain new copies of their work. This is how copyright works.

 

Arguing that the "fans and fellow gamers have a right to have a product available at all times" is arguing that Nexus is not allowed to ever go offline. Bankruptcy? They better damn well find the money to keep going, fans and fellow gamers have rights! Data loss? They must find the mod author, who has no choice but to upload a new copy, which he must maintain forever and then pass on to his children to maintain forever, because fans and fellow gamers have rights!

 

See how silly the argument sounds?

 

You don't have a right to someone else's work. Mod authors have given permission for Nexus to host their mods, and to gamers to then download and use their mods. They can revoke that permission at anytime, because they are the copyright holder. They can not make you delete your local copy, such a law would be unenforceable. But they can deny you permission to share it with someone else; in fact by default that is how the law works, you are not allowed to share mods you have downloaded without specific permission, which is why you see people asking permission to port to Xbox.

 

I see. Thank you for clearing that up. I wasn't trying to argue, just didn't quite understand. :smile:

[aurreth]

I see. Thank you for clearing that up. I wasn't trying to argue, just didn't quite understand. :smile:

 

No problem. Most people never really have to deal with copyright issues. Nexus appears to be counting on mod authors not understanding their rights, or at least not having the resources to sue them. And mod authors aren't phrasing their objections in a way that helps people really understand that their rights are being trampled on.

 

There is also another side to this. By refusing authors the right to delete their mods, by seizing control of them, it can be argued that Nexus is now responsible for the content of all of those mods. Section 230 rights no longer apply. Mods using assets from other games? Nexus is responsible for that. Those child companion mods? Better hope they are constructed perfectly to avoid child porn laws, or Nexus gets shut down. Before they could blame the modder and hide behind the safe harbor laws, but they can't do that if they assert that Nexus, and only Nexus, can decide whether or not the content can be deleted if there is a problem. And if even one mod violates those laws, well, YOU are logging in to the site, and the FBI has a long history of hunting down anyone who logs into a dubious site.

 

I get why Nexus wants to do this, but it is an extremely poorly thought out idea. I seriously wonder if they consulted any lawyers first. And I mean good lawyers.

[YouDoNotKnowMyName]

 

 

 

Do the mod authors have the right to delete their product though?

What about the rights of the fans and fellow gamers to have that product available at all times.

 

Does not exist. You have zero right to someone else's intellectual property. Copyright belongs to the author.

 

 

So what is it when I have their "property" on my computer?

 

 

They have given permission for you to download and use it. That does not mean they have to give permission for everyone else to do so forever. By deleting their mods they are revoking permission for anyone to obtain new copies of their work. This is how copyright works.

 

Arguing that the "fans and fellow gamers have a right to have a product available at all times" is arguing that Nexus is not allowed to ever go offline. Bankruptcy? They better damn well find the money to keep going, fans and fellow gamers have rights! Data loss? They must find the mod author, who has no choice but to upload a new copy, which he must maintain forever and then pass on to his children to maintain forever, because fans and fellow gamers have rights!

 

See how silly the argument sounds?

 

You don't have a right to someone else's work. Mod authors have given permission for Nexus to host their mods, and to gamers to then download and use their mods. They can revoke that permission at anytime, because they are the copyright holder. They can not make you delete your local copy, such a law would be unenforceable. But they can deny you permission to share it with someone else; in fact by default that is how the law works, you are not allowed to share mods you have downloaded without specific permission, which is why you see people asking permission to port to Xbox.

 

This is why I always download everything that seems potentially interesting or useful!

Because it might be gone tomorrow ...

I experienced this sort of thing lots of times:

You see something interesting and think "no, I will not download that right now, maybe later when I might actually need it" and a few days later it is gone ...

(or the website that it was on is gone, that happend to me a few times ...)

 

That goes for anything, not just mods!

 

It has become kind of like an obsession of me.

Because I hate to rely on things that I can't control or can't fix if they are broken (if "the internet connection" or "the nexus website" is broken, I can't do anything about it)

 

And always keep backups or your backups in a seperate location. (What if your house burns down?)

 

I know, I have trust-issues ... :laugh:

[aurreth]

And always keep backups or your backups in a seperate location. (What if your house burns down?)

 

I know, I have trust-issues ... :laugh:

 

Actually not. A proper backup strategy is online, offline, offsite. Three copies.

 

Now if you really have trust issues you not only have multiple copies, you have multiple formats. I mean how many computers these days still have DVD drives.... :ohmy:

[YouDoNotKnowMyName]

 

And always keep backups or your backups in a seperate location. (What if your house burns down?)

 

I know, I have trust-issues ... :laugh:

 

Actually not. A proper backup strategy is online, offline, offsite. Three copies.

 

Now if you really have trust issues you not only have multiple copies, you have multiple formats. I mean how many computers these days still have DVD drives.... :ohmy:

 

No, no online backups! :down:

Trust issues ... :laugh: