Defense of Bruma quest issue

[Ludsama]

Hi, everybody.

I am posting this because I am facing a more or less serious but undoubtedly obnoxious case of wanton freezing in my game.

Explanation: Each and every damn time I go near -distance varies- the Gate to Oblivion that opened in front of Bruma, my game will stop short, freezing my screen and the PC becomes unoperable; I can't even Alt+Tab or Ctrl+Alt+Del to kill the program. Only cure left: wild reboot of my PC!

I am playing with Enhanced Daedric Invasion mod; might this be the cause at this stage of the storyline? Here's my full Load Order.

 

 

00 oblivion.esm

01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.34]

02 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]

03 Qarls_Harvest.esm

04 Mart's Monster Mod.esm

05 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm

06 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

07 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.3.3]

08 Lovers with PK.esm

09 BreakUndies.esm

0A TamagoClub.esm

0B BUDungeon.esm

0C LoversCreature.esm

0D CM Partners.esm

0E Toaster Says Share v3.esm

0F TrueBankingSystem.esm

10 HorseCombatMaster.esm

11 MAO - Animation Resource.esp

12 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.3]

13 UOPS Additional Changes.esp

14 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

15 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

16 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

17 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.0]

18 Better Cities .esp [Version 5.3.0]

19 NaturalWeather.esp

1A NaturalHabitat.esp

1B All Natural.esp [Version 1.34]

++ All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3]

1C Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1]

1D NaturalWater.esp

1E Better Bell Sounds.esp

1F Atmospheric Oblivion.esp

20 Storms & Sound.esp

21 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.34]

22 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp [Version 5.3.0]

23 MidasSpells.esp

24 CLS-CMHotKeys-OBSE.esp

25 Days&Months.esp

26 Hot Coffee and Tea-Cobl.esp

27 More_Vegetables.esp

28 personality_idles4_C.esp

29 Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp

2A Qarls_Harvest.esp

2B Crowded Cities 30.esp

2C Crowded Roads 15.esp

2D FF_Real_Thirst.esp

2E Choices and Consequences.esp [Version 2.02]

2F DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]

30 Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp [Version 1.8]

31 Clock Hotkey.esp

32 DLCHorseArmor.esp

33 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8]

34 DLCOrrery.esp

35 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

36 DLCVileLair.esp

37 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]

38 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

39 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]

3A DLCSpellTomes.esp

++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]

3B VipCxj_HighHeels.esp

3C RealSwords - Argonian HI-NPC.esp

3D RealSwords - Bosmer HI-NPC.esp

3E RealSwords - Breton HI-NPC.esp

3F RealSwords - Dunmer HI-NPC.esp

40 RealSwords - Goblin.esp

41 RealSwords - Khajiit HI-NPC v1.3.esp

42 RealSwords - Nord HI-NPC SI.esp

43 RealSwords - Orc HI_NPC v1.0.esp

44 RealSwords - Redguard HI-NPC.esp

45 00 shield rings.esp

46 Dalls_SkyrimNords.esp

47 DMCWeapons.esp [Version 1.3]

48 FSN Equipments.esp

49 Caliburn.esp

++ Kit Rae Daedric Sword Replacer.esp

4A ProdigyRingCheat.esp

4B Legend of Zelda Equipment (placed).esp

4C FF7AC Tsurugi.esp

4D Ring of Grace.esp

4E Strider's Sword.esp

4F CL-Excalibur.esp

50 Conan Swords - Atlantean 2Hand Leather Scabbard.esp

51 Damascended.esp

52 Day Walker Sword.esp

53 devsmods dragonsheart.esp

54 Glypha_Eregail.esp

55 Excalibur2.esp

56 Highlander Sword.esp

57 LegendaryWeapons&Armor_2ch.esp

58 Merong - Brisingr.esp

59 Merong_Zarroc_EV.esp

5A EragonSwordsTest.esp

5B Tempo Jewellery.esp

5C yuewangjian.esp

5D LOTR Hadhafang v1.2.esp

5E Neo's Kasumi and Tina.esp

5F Neo's LandCH.esp

60 Neo's Jedi Knights.esp

61 Neo-Aayla.esp

62 AyaneDOA402.esp

63 HitomiDress.esp

64 Takidress.esp

65 BOAdress02.esp

66 Templerruestung_light_EV.esp

67 Templerruestung_heavy_EV.esp

68 k1_R18PN.esp

69 OffhandSheathKatana.esp

6A MBJTemplar2.esp

6B MArmingSword.esp

6C Cross Sword.esp

6D Dragon Sword.esp

6E RainbowSword.esp

6F TriXigTs Serpent Sword.esp

70 StoltiesZeldaWeaponsEV.esp

71 Bride.esp

72 SC4 Flambert V1.esp

73 Ibelin Knight Armor.esp

74 MH Khezu Armor.esp

75 Ghogiel's Jian.esp

76 JBladesVol2.esp

77 Jedi LightSabers with Sound.esp

78 KatanasMod.esp

79 MandBSwords.esp

7A Medieval Shields.esp

7B NollemastersCrusaderArmor.esp

7C rdweaponpack1.esp

7D RippleBlade.esp

7E SpeedBuster Collection.esp

7F Throne Armor.esp

80 Tizona_And_Colada_Sword_of_El_Cid.esp

81 Vin Swords.esp

82 KAIHIME.esp

83 Gloria Armor.esp

84 Glamdring.esp

85 MODArnTemplar.esp [Version 2]

86 MODRoadRogue.esp

87 Gondorian Ranger Gear.esp

88 Slof's Horses Base.esp

++ Slof's Horses Essential.esp

89 Mounted_Spellcasting.esp

8A Mounted_Trampling.esp

8B DLCThievesDen.esp

** DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.11]

8C DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.11]

8D Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]

8E Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

8F FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp

++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]

** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 2.0]

90 Mart's Monster Mod.esp

91 BladesSmithySTANDARD.esp

++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]

92 Anduril Reforged.esp

93 Chinese Weapons.esp

94 Abriael_Human.esp

95 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

96 Lycanthrope.esp

97 Templar Fighters Guild.esp

98 Valley_View_Estate.esp

99 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

9A DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8]

9B DLCFrostcrag.esp

** DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8]

9C Knights.esp

9D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.3]

9E KnightlyArmory.esp

9F The Lost Spires.esp

A0 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp

A1 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]

A2 NaturalVegetation.esp

A3 Glowing Wonders.esp

A4 ElvenGardensLoft.esp

A5 DivinesChapels.esp

A6 SecretOfTheGlyphs.esp [Version 1.2]

A7 Glowing Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones 7-14 Days.esp

A8 CloudRulerTrainingRoom.esp

A9 CompanionHorseSupportFIX forCMPartners.esp

AA DynamicFootPosition.esp

++ DynamicFootPosition_RHH_patch.esp

AB PersuasionOverhaul.esp

AC BUDungeonCore.esp

AD BUDequipmentNA.esp

AE BUDungeonAppend.esp

AF BUDSercen.esp

B0 RealisticEncumbranceAndBurden(Debug).esp

B1 TamagoPlayerHUDkil.esp

B2 TamagoBreak.esp

B3 TamagoNews.esp

B4 LoversTamagoClub.esp

B5 LoversAdultYield.esp

B6 LoversSetScale.esp

B7 LoversSoundCreature.esp [Version 0.1.0]

B8 LoversFSE.esp

B9 LoversRaperSGalgat.esp

BA Lovers with PK.esp [Version 94]

BB LoversCreature.esp

++ LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp

++ LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Scale.esp

BC LoversStopKillRaper.esp

BD 666_Modified_Contraception_esp_1_0.esp

++ ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp

BE Testing Hall Door.esp

++ Colorful Potions.esp

BF Slof's Dogs.esp

C0 SSS.esp

C1 RealHungerEx.esp

C2 RealSleep.esp

C3 Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp

C4 PJs Spell Compendium - Spell Requirements.esp

C5 TeachSpell.esp

C6 RefScope.esp [Version 2.1.2]

C7 SpellSinger.esp

C8 SetBody.esp

C9 Caster Buffs_01.esp

++ MagicSkills Lvl-Up On Cast.esp

++ Improved Athletics Leveling X5.esp

CA Magicka Regen x2.esp

CB Marksman and Blade Realism.esp

CC Oss133FrameRateOptimizer.esp

CD CombatWarning.esp

CE Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp [Version 7.1]

CF Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp

D0 Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp [Version 4]

** SWalk.esp

D1 DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp

D2 SP1stPLegs.esp

D3 KamiCAS.esp [Version 2.2]

++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]

++ Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.76]

++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp [Version 0.76]

++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp [Version 0.76]

D4 Fate Stay Night Saber Companion.esp

D5 Fate Stay Night Saber Companion_Alter Dark Saber Plugin.esp

D6 CM Partners.esp

D7 X.Races.Comp.esp

D8 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

D9 CM Partners NPC NE.esp

DA CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp

DB CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp

DC CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp

DD CM Partner Cherise Darkdae.esp

DE CompanionMaster.esp

DF Companion_Ab_Human.esp

E0 Companion_Ab_Human_3.esp

E1 Saerileth.esp

E2 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]

++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]

E3 Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.0]

E4 Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.3.0]

E5 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.3.0]

E6 Better Cities - All Natural.esp

E7 Better Cities - Knightly Armory.esp

E8 Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp

E9 Better Cities - Skyrim Nords.esp

EA Better Cities - Valley View Estate.esp

EB Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp

EC Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp

++ Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 5.3.0]

ED Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp [Version 5.3.0]

++ Better Cities - Storms & Sound.esp [Version 5.3.0]

++ Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp [Version 5.3.0]

EE UVII.esp

EF UVIICSInGame.esp

++ Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp

++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]

F0 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]

** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.34]

F1 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

F2 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

F3 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

F4 Guardswords.esp

F5 Quest Locations Book.esp

F6 NR500.esp

F7 fenrirbyxilver.esp

F8 Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp

F9 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

FA Deadly Reflex 5 MAO Compatible patch.esp

The whole thing is, of course, BOSS reordered, safe a few plugins not taken by the Masterlist.

[Hickory]

You have 279 plugins in that list, with 250 being 'active'. Oblivion has a limit of 255 .esm, .esp, .bsa files in the data folder. Now, assuming that you have Wrye Bash set to ghost the inactive plugins, that still leaves you over the limit counting esm and bsa. You need to trim your plugins somehow, and uninstall them, not just disable them -- the game counts every plugin and bsa file in the data folder.

 

Also remember that the Bruma battle scene is one of the most graphic intensive in the whole vanilla game, and you have a lot of added candy -- I remember my old computer groaning and creaking like it was about to give up the ghost at that point, when Oblivion first came out.

[Ludsama]

Thank you for answering me, Hickory.

And yet I TRY to keep the number of plugins low, I resisted a number of temptations :devil:

Now I understand what you said regarding the battle of Bruma, but here I didn't even reach that point; I only started in the storyline and Jauffre only just sent me find Captain Burd, yet I can't even get in the 200 meters near him and the Gate: my game will freeze right amidst the Jerall Mountains, as the name appears in the bottom left corner of my screen, for instance. After that; I can't get out of this but by reboot the computer, as Oblivion will not allow ANY operation.

So if really the number of mods I am using is at fault here, I am more than willing to thin it out. But that's puzzling that it would react so bad only at that point of the game while it's perfectly fine(?) anywhere else, I say.

Any remark regarding Enhanced Daedric Invasion?

[Hickory]

I'm not sure of the precise dynamics of the threshold level, because I've never gone over it. But I believe different people have had different experiences with being OTT. It may be that is just how it is manifesting in your setup. Regardless, you do need to thin out those plugins. Once you've done that, run your save game through Wrye Bash's bloat checker/fixer, just to make sure your save game is not bloated too.

 

As for Enhanced Daedric Invasion, I have never played it. Sorry.

[Ludsama]

Okay, I see. I will do that then. A bit of cleaning that is; then I'll come to report any evolution. I know the problem lies around Bruma for sure, since I managed to CoC BrumaChapel no problem. But ASA I go out in the open, from Jearl's house for example, within the next 5 minutes, the freezing occurs. It did happen once. Same thing when I tried to "fly" over the city using TCL command. Maybe Open Better Cities...

[Ludsama]

Yo!~ Coming in for the report. Well after cutting off on a few mods that I decided I didn't absolutely want, I got down below Oblivion's 255 files threshold, and I think I managed to get closer to the damn Gate than ever before.

Still freezing at the exact same point tho. Do you think that a certain sword that I picked from a certain undercroft in a certain chapel in Anvil could be responsible for this mess? I remember the exact same sword wrecking havoc in my game whenever I tried to load a save after getting it from the Great Chapel of Dibella. I am talking about the Father's Sword from Conan Swords mod, by caldurham, after the models made by Walx http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/14111//?

When I tried going from Anvil to Kvatch I would systematically freeze at the same point between Gottshaw and Kvatch encampment. I then found out that this did not happen without the sword in my inventory.

Now said sword is stored inside a cupboard in my Even Gardens Loft, but maybe it is that messy...

[Hickory]

When I tried going from Anvil to Kvatch I would systematically freeze at the same point between Gottshaw and Kvatch encampment. I then found out that this did not happen without the sword in my inventory.

Now said sword is stored inside a cupboard in my Even Gardens Loft, but maybe it is that messy...

Then it seems like a good idea to actually uninstall that sword, if you suspect it in that manner.

[Ludsama]

Turns out it wasn't the Father's Sword that was guilty, but plain Bruma that's gone corrupt for God knows what reasons... When I come in sight of the rampart, the game freezes without warning, so I need to restore the city to its vanilla state I think. Any clue about how to do it? restoring Bruma only without touching anything else that is.

[Hickory]

Turns out it wasn't the Father's Sword that was guilty, but plain Bruma that's gone corrupt for God knows what reasons... When I come in sight of the rampart, the game freezes without warning, so I need to restore the city to its vanilla state I think. Any clue about how to do it? restoring Bruma only without touching anything else that is.

 

Then it sounds to me like you have either an issue with corrupt data in your save game (more than likely), or possibly OC related (compatibility? bad Bashed Patch? other reason/s?) To check if it is your save game, start a new game from scratch and when you exit the sewers, forget everything else and travel straight north to Bruma. I suggest you walk there rather than coc or fast travel. Save your new troubleshooting game in a clean slot, and save before you go north of the Roxey inn, because you're still level 1!

 

If it still freezes with a new save game -- don't be tempted to load a previous save, start afresh -- then you need to look deeper at your load order.

[Ludsama]

 

Turns out it wasn't the Father's Sword that was guilty, but plain Bruma that's gone corrupt for God knows what reasons... When I come in sight of the rampart, the game freezes without warning, so I need to restore the city to its vanilla state I think. Any clue about how to do it? restoring Bruma only without touching anything else that is.

 

Then it sounds to me like you have either an issue with corrupt data in your save game (more than likely), or possibly OC related (compatibility? bad Bashed Patch? other reason/s?) To check if it is your save game, start a new game from scratch and when you exit the sewers, forget everything else and travel straight north to Bruma. I suggest you walk there rather than coc or fast travel. Save your new troubleshooting game in a clean slot, and save before you go north of the Roxey inn, because you're still level 1!

 

If it still freezes with a new save game -- don't be tempted to load a previous save, start afresh -- then you need to look deeper at your load order.

 

Okay I will try that then. And as for being Lv one, that shouldn't being that big of an hinderance, given I shamelessly use Tempo's Jewelry as well as TheMikado's Ring of Grace to boost my lowbies on each game.

BTW, I forgot to mention that my last failed attempt ocurred after I disabled Better Cities.esm in my Load Order.

Edited June 27, 2013 by Ludsama