_it_ Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 iam getting your point but thate is still the fact that a divine being like god already knows who is evil and who is not so he doesnt has to create a planet to test us to see if we are or arent evil he only needs a hell and a heaven and how sure are we that god is infact a he or she we dont know a bloody thing about god and you dont have to be a wise old man to have a opinion about the bible ( refering to the teenager part) so it doesnt matter how old you are aslong as you have good arguments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postaldudeleo Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 You lost me buddy. Im now more confused then in watching mtv (which is stupid woprthless ########) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eiade Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 i am getting your point but that is still the fact that a divine being like god already knows who is evil and who is not so he doesnt has to create a planet to test us to see if we are or arent evil he only needs a hell and a heaven It's emphasized throughout Christian teachings that God gave humans free will. They choose whether or not they follow God's teachings. Noone here said that God knows what people will choose. and how sure are we that god is infact a he or she we dont know a bloody thing about god So why do you think you know that he will be able to tell from the get-go what path a human chooses to tread? I am not Christian, but from Christian teachings, it is said (and makes sense) that God is mysterious and we as humans cannot begin to try to decipher his ways and/or true intent with us. Christians only know that they must love, trust, worship, and follow God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 How would God seperate the non-believers from the believers if he made life a breeze by taking out war/famine/poverty and the devil? What would we learn? I'm sorry if this sounds insulting, but what kind of god do we have where war/famine/poverty are things we learn from? Don't most people die from these things? What do the people that die learn? Only the survivors can learn from these events so your arguement is pointless. Wait i'm seeing something... I predict that your argument after this comment will be something about "having faith"... am i right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_it_ Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 well your complety right couldnt say ot better myself i also want to add the fact that only jesus can destroy the earth and he will so state the writings of the apocalyps . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinin Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Tyjet, i think you need to do some more studying on the Christian religion, because you just aren't understanding anything. I seriously suggest that you read into the Christian religion before making conclusions about it. I'm sorry if this sounds insulting, but what kind of god do we have where war/famine/poverty are things we learn from? Don't most people die from these things? What do the people that die learn? Only the survivors can learn from these events so your arguement is pointless. Yet again, you're taking the word learn way to literally. We're not supposed to actually learn things about God through war/famine/poverty. We're supposed to learn to pray and believe in God to get through these difficult times. Yes, people's hearts get broken and they can be in a state of depression because of these horrible things, but haven't you heard of that guy who got through a drinking problem, divorce, and a death in the family because he turned to God, and prayed for better days, and giving thanks to what he already had? And if you died through these terrible things, and did what i said above (praying and believing God) then you are on the next stage of existence, and welcomed in heaven. Wait i'm seeing something... I predict that your argument after this comment will be something about "having faith"... am i right? *Sigh* Man i hate when people make fun of the word faith, when they have no idea what it means because they have no religion to have faith in. Yes, tyjet, as a matter of fact, faith can overcome every single thing in the world. There have been people that have gone through a living hell yet they believe in God with such a passion that they overcome these difficulties. Quit dissing faith tyjet, you have no idea of what it can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Quit dissing faith tyjet, you have no idea of what it can do. Hey, i never dissed faith. I simply don't like how every time someone trys to say something logical in a religious debate they pull out the "must have faith" card. I'm tired of it. Tyjet, i think you need to do some more studying on the Christian religion I know the christian religion pretty well actually... that's probably why i don't follow it... I seriously suggest that you read into the Christian religion before making conclusions about it. I simply asked questions... See...I'm sorry if this sounds insulting, but what kind of god do we have where war/famine/poverty are things we learn from? Don't most people die from these things? What do the people that die learn? Only the survivors can learn from these events so your arguement is pointless.my only conclusion was about your choice of attack in the debate, not religion... Yes, tyjet, as a matter of fact, faith can overcome every single thing in the world. I'm sorry but faith can't be a debating option. No one can fight faith because it is personal. So just don't bring it up in debates and i'll be satisfied. Too many christians use the faith card when they lose a debate. it's really cheap. We're supposed to learn to pray and believe in God to get through these difficult times. Yes, people's hearts get broken and they can be in a state of depression because of these horrible things, but haven't you heard of that guy who got through a drinking problem, divorce, and a death in the family because he turned to God, and prayed for better days, and giving thanks to what he already had? This is like a 1 in 10,000 occurence... More people get hurt by war/famine/poverty than saved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Thief Oriana Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 FYI, the most fundamental truth concearning religion: Your thoughts on religion are not as important as someone elses thoughts on religion. That applies to everyone, by the way. Its why every war over religion has been malicious and bloody, and why they only serve to bolster faith within each side's views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 totally agree, as Surian has told us before... religious debates are can't be won or lost... please don't turn this in to a "yeah, you can win!!" arguement... don't even think about it... it was already tried, with no avail... EDIT: sorry, i meant Surian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 No, as I told you before, religion debates can be won. The fact that one side stubbornly continues to argue and refuse to admit defeat does not mean they haven't lost. Bringing up faith as an argument is a concession of defeat. Whatever its usefulness in personal beliefs, it is not a valid argument in a debate. And it's not just true for religion. Faith is not a valid argument in a debate of any form. It's not valid to say "the Iraq war was right because I believe it was", it's not valid to say "the best color is blue because I believe it was", and it's not valild to say "god exists because I believe he does." There are no special exceptions for religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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