Company of Heroes 2: Removed from sale in Russia.

[JimboUK]

 

 

No it's not over the top, it's an event in their history that left over ten million of them dead, those dead deserve respect and Relic dumped on them.

 

 

And yet peoples' human rights are being dumped on by their own government right this very moment, but the one issue that gets the biggest response is that a videogame company misrepresented some historical facts.

 

 

What's happening in Russia now is not the fault of those who gave their lives to save it from Germany, I find it rather strange you don't have a problem with a game that portrays Nazis as the good guys.

[vendur]

 

 

 

No it's not over the top, it's an event in their history that left over ten million of them dead, those dead deserve respect and Relic dumped on them.

 

 

And yet peoples' human rights are being dumped on by their own government right this very moment, but the one issue that gets the biggest response is that a videogame company misrepresented some historical facts.

 

 

What's happening in Russia now is not the fault of those who gave their lives to save it from Germany, I find it rather strange you don't have a problem with a game that portrays Nazis as the good guys.

 

 

 

Compared to the soviets they were the good guys. i'll assume by "nazi" you are incorrectly saying the German army.

Edited August 18, 2013 by vendur

[Hardwaremaster]

 

 

 

 

No it's not over the top, it's an event in their history that left over ten million of them dead, those dead deserve respect and Relic dumped on them.

 

And yet peoples' human rights are being dumped on by their own government right this very moment, but the one issue that gets the biggest response is that a videogame company misrepresented some historical facts.

 

What's happening in Russia now is not the fault of those who gave their lives to save it from Germany, I find it rather strange you don't have a problem with a game that portrays Nazis as the good guys.

Compared to the soviets they were the good guys. I'll assume by "Nazi" you are incorrectly saying the German army.

 

This is exactly what I am talking about, most people don't realize the Nazis were only, special forces, politicians, secret police, etc. The average German Soldier was a Catholic and prayed to God, attended church and so forth, everything Hitler and Stalin did was also in their Holy Books as a commandments by their Deity. Hitler was also Catholic; Stalin was Orthodox if I remember correctly. Because a Nazi is and was more accurately known as a Fascist the left-wing of Communism with the right-wing being Socialism. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky026.gif

 

I have stated this several times over, everyone throws around the word Nazi, like some sort of device to gain sympathy. It is more accurate to say National Socialist, because they were only the far-left of Communism, a Political Ideology, much like the Mujahedin in Afghanistan, that also has a little religious connotation behind it, which if anyone has read the Qur'an it is not surprising in the least. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky059.gif

 

Nationalist Socialism has been a dead Political Ideology for over one hundred years, and yet people act like they themselves actually fought in the war that has been confined to the history books that is human existence, when they see these situations appear in discussions. I find the Russians extremely hypocritical with them literally ignoring, denying, justifying every possible thing they did, still do and will eventually come to do. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky011.gif

 

Hitler and Stalin both also had Jewish ancestry, figure that out if you can, considering what the government and school system would have us to believe about them. History is wrote by the victorious, the rest is forgotten. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked002.gif

 

I'm with Zewp on this one, there seems to be a Double-Standard here of do what I say, not what I do.

 

As is standard though, people will believe, whatever they want to believe.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky099.gif

Edited August 18, 2013 by Hardwaremaster

[JimboUK]

 

 

 

 

 

No it's not over the top, it's an event in their history that left over ten million of them dead, those dead deserve respect and Relic dumped on them.

 

And yet peoples' human rights are being dumped on by their own government right this very moment, but the one issue that gets the biggest response is that a videogame company misrepresented some historical facts.

 

What's happening in Russia now is not the fault of those who gave their lives to save it from Germany, I find it rather strange you don't have a problem with a game that portrays Nazis as the good guys.

Compared to the soviets they were the good guys. I'll assume by "Nazi" you are incorrectly saying the German army.

 

This is exactly what I am talking about, most people don't realize the Nazis were only, special forces, politicians, secret police, etc. The average German Soldier was a Catholic and prayed to God, attended church and so forth, everything Hitler and Stalin did was also in their Holy Books as a commandments by their Deity. Hitler was also Catholic; Stalin was Orthodox if I remember correctly. Because a Nazi is and was more accurately known as a Fascist the left-wing of Communism with the right-wing being Socialism. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky026.gif

 

I have stated this several times over, everyone throws around the word Nazi, like some sort of device to gain sympathy. It is more accurate to say National Socialist, because they were only the far-left of Communism, a Political Ideology, much like the Mujahedin in Afghanistan, that also has a little religious connotation behind it, which if anyone has read the Qur'an it is not surprising in the least. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky059.gif

 

Nationalist Socialism has been a dead Political Ideology for over one hundred years, and yet people act like they themselves actually fought in the war that has been confined to the history books that is human existence, when they see these situations appear in discussions. I find the Russians extremely hypocritical with them literally ignoring, denying, justifying every possible thing they did, still do and will eventually come to do. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky011.gif

 

Hitler and Stalin both also had Jewish ancestry, figure that out if you can, considering what the government and school system would have us to believe about them. History is wrote by the victorious, the rest is forgotten. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked002.gif

 

I'm with Zewp on this one, there seems to be a Double-Standard here of do what I say, not what I do.

 

As is standard though, people will believe, whatever they want to believe.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky099.gif

 

 

I know exactly what the Nazis were, it was them driving this war of annihilation, what the troops on the ground were is an irrelevance. And make no mistake, this wasn't a war of conquest, it was a war of annihilation, an attempt at genocide. Anyone who thinks the Nazis were the good guys either has a poor understanding of history or serious problems. And National Socialism is far from dead, it's on the rise in Europe and has been for a while.

[vendur]

 

 

 

 

 

 

No it's not over the top, it's an event in their history that left over ten million of them dead, those dead deserve respect and Relic dumped on them.

 

And yet peoples' human rights are being dumped on by their own government right this very moment, but the one issue that gets the biggest response is that a videogame company misrepresented some historical facts.

 

What's happening in Russia now is not the fault of those who gave their lives to save it from Germany, I find it rather strange you don't have a problem with a game that portrays Nazis as the good guys.

Compared to the soviets they were the good guys. I'll assume by "Nazi" you are incorrectly saying the German army.

 

This is exactly what I am talking about, most people don't realize the Nazis were only, special forces, politicians, secret police, etc. The average German Soldier was a Catholic and prayed to God, attended church and so forth, everything Hitler and Stalin did was also in their Holy Books as a commandments by their Deity. Hitler was also Catholic; Stalin was Orthodox if I remember correctly. Because a Nazi is and was more accurately known as a Fascist the left-wing of Communism with the right-wing being Socialism. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky026.gif

 

I have stated this several times over, everyone throws around the word Nazi, like some sort of device to gain sympathy. It is more accurate to say National Socialist, because they were only the far-left of Communism, a Political Ideology, much like the Mujahedin in Afghanistan, that also has a little religious connotation behind it, which if anyone has read the Qur'an it is not surprising in the least. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky059.gif

 

Nationalist Socialism has been a dead Political Ideology for over one hundred years, and yet people act like they themselves actually fought in the war that has been confined to the history books that is human existence, when they see these situations appear in discussions. I find the Russians extremely hypocritical with them literally ignoring, denying, justifying every possible thing they did, still do and will eventually come to do. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky011.gif

 

Hitler and Stalin both also had Jewish ancestry, figure that out if you can, considering what the government and school system would have us to believe about them. History is wrote by the victorious, the rest is forgotten. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked002.gif

 

I'm with Zewp on this one, there seems to be a Double-Standard here of do what I say, not what I do.

 

As is standard though, people will believe, whatever they want to believe.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky099.gif

 

 

I know exactly what the Nazis were, it was them driving this war of annihilation, what the troops on the ground were is an irrelevance. And make no mistake, this wasn't a war of conquest, it was a war of annihilation, an attempt at genocide. Anyone who thinks the Nazis were the good guys either has a poor understanding of history or serious problems. And National Socialism is far from dead, it's on the rise in Europe and has been for a while.

 

 

 

Now you are intentionally trying to muddle things(again, i might add). Nazis were not fighting the soviet army, the German army was. The crybaby Russian-apologist in that youtube clip, who constantly excuses the butchery of the Soviets even against their own people, did the same thing, sing the word "nazi", like it's a magic word to win all arguments and debate of historical fact.

[JimboUK]

Who was controlling the German Army? they didn't end up in Russia because they got lost on the way to the pub, they were sent there to do the bidding of the Nazi leadership. Yes the Russians also done some pretty unpleasant things but they were fighting for their very existence, something they wouldn't have had to do if the Germans hadn't invaded.

[Hardwaremaster]

I don't think anyone here was advocating Nazism, I personally hate the entire concept, but I believe you can find out a lot by examination. Supposedly many large American banks funded the Nazis. Harry Truman new about Pearl Harbor before hand, but needed to get America in the war that was going on in Europe but needed the approval of the American people who were extremely isolationist. Also see This. This. This.

 

Article composite created from various news organizations. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy011.gif

 

 

 

The BBC reported in 1998: Barclays Bank has agreed to pay $3.6m to Jews whose assets were seized from French branches of the British-based bank during World War II.

 

The New York Daily News noted the same year:

Chase Manhattan Bank, which has acknowledged seizing about 100 accounts held by Jews in its Paris branch during World War ”Recently unclassified reports from the US Treasury about the activities of Chase in Paris in the 1940s indicate that the local branch worked “in close collaboration with the German authorities” in freezing Jewish assets.

 

The BBC reported in 1999:

The relationship between Chase and the Nazis apparently was so cozy that Carlos Niedermann, the Chase branch chief in Paris, wrote his supervisor in Manhattan that the bank enjoyed “very special esteem” with top German officials and “a rapid expansion of deposits,” according to Newsweek. Niedermann’s letter was written in May 1942 five months after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and the U.S. also went to war with Germany.

 

One of Britain’s main newspapers the Guardian reported in 2004:

A French government commission, investigating the seizure of Jewish bank accounts during the Second World War, says five American banks Chase Manhattan, J.P Morgan, Guaranty Trust Co. of New York, Bank of the City of New York and American Express had taken part. It says their Paris branches handed over to the Nazi occupiers about one-hundred such accounts. Indeed, banks often finance both sides of wars:

George Bush’s grandfather [and George H.W. Bush's father], the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism. His business dealings continued until his company’s assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act

 

The documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen’s US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.

 

Bush was a founding member of the bank [uBC] The bank was set up by Harriman and Bush’s father-in-law to provide a US bank for the Thyssens, Germany’s most powerful industrial family.

 

By the late 1930s, Brown Brothers Harriman, which claimed to be the world’s largest private investment bank, and UBC had bought and shipped millions of dollars of gold, fuel, steel, coal and US treasury bonds to Germany, both feeding and financing Hitler’s build-up to war.

 

Between 1931 and 1933 UBC bought more than $8m worth of gold, of which $3m was shipped abroad. According to documents seen by the Guardian, after UBC was set up it transferred $2m to BBH accounts and between 1924 and 1940 the assets of UBC hovered around $3m, dropping to $1m only on a few occasions.

 

UBC was caught red-handed operating a American shell company for the Thyssen family eight months after America had entered the war and that this was the bank that had partly financed Hitler’s rise to power.

 

The San Francisco Chronicle also documents that leading financiers Rockefeller, Carnegie and Harriman funded Nazi eugenics programs.

 

American Bankers Funded Coup Against FDR

According to the BBC and other sources, Prescott Bush, JP Morgan and other leading financiers also funded a coup against President Franklin Roosevelt in an attempt – basically – to implement fascism in the U.S. See this, this, this and this.

 

 

 

Also supposedly without the manufacturing capability of America, England, Russia, and most nations would not have stood much of a chance before it entered the war. Even though Russia was ultimately the one who really won the war, reportedly that could not have been accomplished with out American Manufacturing that was being shipped to both the Comintern and the Allies, and yet, you have American banks funding the Germans behind their backs, what do you make of that. Also reportedly the U.S. Created And Executed Genocide In Germany. The AIDS Virus Was Artificially Created. Millions Were in Germ ware Tests in Brittan Then finally you have this list of Illegal Human Experimentation in the U.S.A alone, I can only imagine what a worldwide document, must look like. Hitler made so many obvious Military Mistakes, I can only assume he was either incompetent or he did them on purpose, if he did so, then I have no clue as to why, considering his education though I find that unlikely. The Gulf War syndrome has connections to vaccination, as do Autism, Shaken Baby Syndrome, and other Mysterious Medical Conditions.

 

Allegedly Hitler was related to Edward VII through the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Then there is things like Operation Paperclip and Operation Northwoods which bears a remarkable facsimile of what happened in the United States of America on September the Eleventh. With the BBC reporting the collapse of Building Seven a full twenty minutes before it actually happened even before organizations like CNN, MSN, FOX had reported it.

 

Here is what I really would want to know how do characters like, Mao, Stalin, Hitler and others take power, didn't the countries population realize these were murdering psychopaths when they saw them, or am I missing something here. You said this wasn't a war of conquest, but one of annihilation and genocide, I agree but here's the thing, whats with the annexation that was going on, because Hitler was strangely calculating with his tasks.

 

If you don't like the any of the sources I linked I'm sure you can find the same stuff at others if you look around.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FVgVj3phBc

 

Here is some pictures I found, why don't you, tell me what you see.

 

 

 

http://www.history.com/images/media/slideshow/world-war-ii-political-leaders/yalta-conference.jpg

 

 

 

Here is some more interesting pictures, you can tell me what you think of them.

 

 

 

http://presscore.ca/2012/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Edward-VIII-SS.jpg

 

 

 

There is something, strangely copious here, maybe it was diplomacy, but I'm not exactly sure.

 

 

 

http://presscore.ca/2012/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/German-Reich.jpg

 

 

Edited August 19, 2013 by Hardwaremaster

[vendur]

Who controls the American army today? So all the military servicemen are "democrats"? really. I know a few marine bars where you can take this incredible bit of logic and try it out on them.

 

 

 

They were fighting for their existence? Ya right. is that why in many parts of the soviet union the German army were seen as liberators? You are talking about the soviet union, right? the one invading nearly every country touching its borders? You obviously know little of history, and what you do "think" you know smells a little fish and chippy.

[JimboUK]

Who controls the American army today? So all the military servicemen are "democrats"? really. I know a few marine bars where you can take this incredible bit of logic and try it out on them.

 

 

 

They were fighting for their existence? Ya right. is that why in many parts of the soviet union the German army were seen as liberators? You are talking about the soviet union, right? the one invading nearly every country touching its borders? You obviously know little of history, and what you do "think" you know smells a little fish and chippy.

 

The U.S army does the bidding of the government of the day, the German army was doing the bidding of their government which (correct me if I'm wrong) was a Nazi one. You also seem to be confusing liberation with slaughtering because that's exactly what they did, I know plenty about history and I've also heard it from the horses mouth, we had two ex German servicemen living near us as a child and both used talks in schools to tell of the horrors they'd seen. My grandfather also spoke to German troops fleeing west to escape the advancing Soviets, he heard first hand from them what happened. As I said the Soviets done some awful things themselves but you need to put it into context, portraying the Germans as the victims like this game does is ridiculous.

[Hardwaremaster]

Who controls the American army today? So all the military servicemen are "democrats"? really. I know a few marine bars where you can take this incredible bit of logic and try it out on them.

 

They were fighting for their existence? Ya right. is that why in many parts of the soviet union the German army were seen as liberators? You are talking about the soviet union, right? the one invading nearly every country touching its borders? You obviously know little of history, and what you do "think" you know smells a little fish and chippy.

 

Hello Vendur, welcome to the club, your statement expounds what I was addressing, although I see Jim's point as well. He seems to think that because there Government was a Nationalist Socialist one that the soldiers were Nazis by extension of nationalization. As if they somehow agreed with what their Government was doing to everybody else.

 

The U.S army does the bidding of the government of the day, the German army was doing the bidding of their government which (correct me if I'm wrong) was a Nazi one. You also seem to be confusing liberation with slaughtering because that's exactly what they did, I know plenty about history and I've also heard it from the horses mouth, we had two ex German servicemen living near us as a child and both used talks in schools to tell of the horrors they'd seen. My grandfather also spoke to German troops fleeing west to escape the advancing Soviets, he heard first hand from them what happened. As I said the Soviets done some awful things themselves but you need to put it into context, portraying the Germans as the victims like this game does is ridiculous.

 

I was originally pointing out the fact that, nobody in this game, seemed like the Heroes to me, they were all murders of some position. You say you have a Grandfather that talked about WW2. I have an uncle who was in Vietnam, being spray with Agent Orange by his own Government, now they refuse Medicaid for the chemicals that are deteriorating his bones, because it was a Corporate Manufactured Weapon, even though we live in a Democracy regardless that it started out as a Republic. It would be about the same as if I was living in a Democratic Dictatorship with Free Speech Zones, Hate Crimes and Precrime as people try to legislate thinking into Thoughtcrimes.

 

Its also strange, that I never hear my uncle talk about what a Great Nation we live in, or maybe it was because he was drafted against his will, as it was that or go to prison for life, rather then do that or dodge the draft, he decide to go because he still believed in what the Government was still selling at the time. After he came back I've never once, heard him say anything good about the United States, or anything thing that it has done since. Everyone I know says his personality changed dramatically after he came back, now he is an alcoholic and smoker, that you don't want to be near when he is drunk, as he is extremely violent. He was Eighteen when he was drafted, now he is around his sixty's, never had any children or aspirations, if you saw him on the street you wouldn't think he used to be what was known as a United States Army Ranger with his appearance being that of a homeless man.

 

So, no, I do not agree with the concept that if your Government is one thing, so are you too by extension.

See my previous post if you still want to debate, Russia's Patriotism, for now I'm bugging out. :nuke:

Edited August 19, 2013 by Hardwaremaster