Do Aliens Exist: The Great Debate

[JimboUK]

There was a bowl found with writings from two different cultures, Milesss away from the actual Puma Punku

 

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in a different country, that had resemblance to the writing found on structures. They also claim that the structures where made of Volcanic rock, but where are the volcanoes???

Lets try to debunk the debunked, cause there claim has the same amount of inconsistencies as the other theory. they seemed to not have looked around there own surrounding to see the true picture.

 

That could have found its way there via travellers or traders, I have a packet of cigarettes in front of me with french writing on it, did aliens put it my desk? mankind has been trading for many thousands of years, that trading generally involves traveling.

[Ironman5000]

That could have found its way there via travellers or traders, I have a packet of cigarettes in front of me with french writing on it, did aliens put it my desk? mankind has been trading for many thousands of years, that trading generally involves traveling.

Lol! It made me laugh when one of these vids mentioned that "supposedly" a carving was made using diamonds, "but no diamonds were ever found!" and we are meant to immediately jump to thinking it's aliens :laugh: because nobody would want those smelly old diamonds would they?

[bben46]

Watching the new underwater object video - at least this one doesn't use artist renderings. The actual investigation starts at about the 1 hour mark - everything up to that is getting ready and explaining what they are trying to do. I jumped through this part watching small bits and may have missed something relevant.

 

Then, after a few minutes of sonar & very dim video that doesn't really show anything beyond a shadowy shape, the underwater vehicle (Aerobee?) crapped out and they had to stop. Then a good recap by one of the crew. Saying they don't know what it is and they don't have the right equipment to find out. He was kind of bummed out by the problems they had but never actually claimed "IT'S ALIENS" - Just, "I don't know."

There is something down there - and we still don't know what it is. That does not automatically mean it absolutely must be some alien artifact. As I said before - most likely - a shipwreck of part of a wreck. Or, maybe even a natural object (lower probability) There are a lot of undocumented or poorly documented shipwrecks especially those from WWII. It would be interesting if it really is some alien object, but that is a very low probability.

[HeyYou]

There are no less than 45 volcanoes in Boliva...... I am thinkin' andesitic rock would be hard NOT to stumble over. In fact, it is rather prolific.

[rizon72]

I actually like Ancient Aliens, not for what most think, but they talk about sites you didn't learn about in history class. Like Derinkuyu and Gobekli Tepe. The first is a huge underground 'city' that could house some 20,000 people, plus supplies and livestock, the second is an 11,000 year old 'temple' (I use temple in a cautious sense as that it is only a theory). It seems like every time I look we are discovering something even more ancient and wonderful and mysterious.

 

One fascinating theory, in regards to the Nazca lines, was we were visited by aliens, but they were at war with another alien power. Our planet was used as a base during the war, and once the war ended, the base was abandoned. A bit like military bases during WW2 in the pacific. An intriguing thought.

 

A theory I always think about is that an alien race builds a gigantic ship to flee their homeplanet (its dying, something, but can't sustain life anymore), and set out into the universe. They travel slowly, going from system to system (not going faster than a sub-light speed). They replenish their supplies, talk to the locals, and move on never to come back.

[Vagrant0]

A theory I always think about is that an alien race builds a gigantic ship to flee their homeplanet (its dying, something, but can't sustain life anymore), and set out into the universe. They travel slowly, going from system to system (not going faster than a sub-light speed). They replenish their supplies, talk to the locals, and move on never to come back.

Or the more probable theory that the lines were carved by locals to indicate places where natural water flowed or denote other landmarks as a means of orienting yourself on what is mostly a barren plain. Wit the symbols being carved relating to pictograms of common words. Sign posts would require a more established written language and may end up being burnt or stolen by desperate travelers. Carving shapes into the ground however can be done quickly even with wood tools and given the average rainfall of the region would last a very long time. Support for this theory comes from the fact that many of the lines end at rivers or other places where there are signs of erosion, or run along side hills as if noting elevation (important information for those who might herd animals). And the fact that given most of these symbols are about 100 yards across, they can be plainly identified from ground level. They may even denote things like pastures for more wealthy persons, or just part of some religious custom that has been lost to the ages. There are similar lines cut all over southern Peru, so it is most likely something related to the culture that lived in that area than some alien beings who decided to make a pit-stop.

 

 

As for doing precision work without a written language (or even a common verbal language)... Clearly you've never worked in construction. Since all the related work is interior carving, it becomes rather simple... You have a template block that is shaped exactly as you want it, from this you take lengths of wood related to an element, and make notches in that wood to indicate edges of that element. From there you go and instruct one person on how to make the first grouping of cuts, using that length of wood as a guide for the depth and length of cuts. Once the first person is done with a block and it measures against the template, you talk to the second person instructing them how to cut their element into the stone using a different stick with different notches specifically for that element. And you proceed along the line. Since each person has their own grouping of cuts using their own measure, all blocks will end up nearly identical. A similar stick method can also be used for shaping irregular stones against eachother... by using that stick as a means of defining the length of a given face (the angles really don't matter. since you'd be piling stones on top of eachother, but could certainly be eyeballed).

 

To carve a stone, all you need is some local stone which is harder or more dense than the stone to be carved to act as the head of a chisel or pick. As these stones were quarried from local sources... They obviously had materials on hand which could do the job. For the job of turning a roughcut block into a squared stone, all you need is some sand, water, cord (sinew, hemp, silk), and time. Stoneworking is an art shared by almost every culture in the world and usually done as a symbol of the greatness of those people both to people of that culture as well as any foreign cultures. The notion that only European cultures could engineer walls and roads is one that has been largely discounted in its entirety.

[bben46]

@rizon - I enjoy watching it too - and fore the same reason, they do bring up some really interesting archeological sites - and a few interesting questions - How did they do that? But attributing anything we don't understand to aliens is underrating the intelligence and industry of our ancestors. For example, we now know that many ancient cultures had people called remembers who's job it was to remember stuff, like the history of their tribe, the genealogy of the group, and where they went for water 20 years ago when the local water source dried up. Depending on the culture, this may have been the same person, or three different rememberers who were trained to remember different things. Primitive doesn't mean dumb. :thumbsup:

 

As for no written language - it wasn't that long ago that archeologists thought the quipu knots used by the Inca were just decorative - now they are recognized as an actual very comprehensive written language. The 'written' language may be right in front of us, but we don't recognize it for what it is.

[Thor.]

Watching the new underwater object video - at least this one doesn't use artist renderings. The actual investigation starts at about the 1 hour mark - everything up to that is getting ready and explaining what they are trying to do. I jumped through this part watching small bits and may have missed something relevant.

 

Then, after a few minutes of sonar & very dim video that doesn't really show anything beyond a shadowy shape, the underwater vehicle (Aerobee?) crapped out and they had to stop. Then a good recap by one of the crew. Saying they don't know what it is and they don't have the right equipment to find out. He was kind of bummed out by the problems they had but never actually claimed "IT'S ALIENS" - Just, "I don't know."

There is something down there - and we still don't know what it is. That does not automatically mean it absolutely must be some alien artifact. As I said before - most likely - a shipwreck of part of a wreck. Or, maybe even a natural object (lower probability) There are a lot of undocumented or poorly documented shipwrecks especially those from WWII. It would be interesting if it really is some alien object, but that is a very low probability.

 

!. Notice one of the crew members had bleeding nose, caused when near the ufo's, might be caused by radiation or something else..

2. The beginning they did mention it was some unknown ufo.

3. electronics jamming up near the site of the unknown anomaly, could be caused by the UFO's, no technology we have is capable of such jamming..

4. the way it crashed onto the ocean bead, it carved out a path on the ocean floor.

5. If there is some sort of technology at play here causing the jamming, then that might mean the ufo in question might be more intact then once previously thought. Some of that technology may be functioning to this day.

 

as my av states, think outside the box.

Edited August 23, 2013 by Thor.

[HeyYou]

There are numerous causes of bloody noses. The least of which is radiation. Gotta get a pretty significant dose for that kind of thing. That usually results in death in relatively short order.

 

The term "UFO" simply means "unidentified". They don't know what it is, therefore, it is indeed 'unidentified'. "Flying" is an assumption.

 

What "jamming"? Looks like equipment failure to me.

 

There is 'thinking outside the box', and then there is pure fantasy. Unless/Until they get CLEAR pictures, or raise if from the ocean floor, and can clearly state it is NOT of earthly origin, all it is is another shipwreck/crashed plane. God knows there are a fair few of those on the ocean floor.

[Thor.]

That's the point, equipment failure do to some sort of technology causing it, it happened before when they first found the anomaly in question. Coincidence???, or its cursed :dry:

Edited August 23, 2013 by Thor.