Dark0ne Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 An interesting discussion - I like it. Gold stars to whoever started it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilvish Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 The real history of the first Nerevar's death may have been lost in the 3500 years since his passing. The Ashlanders say that Vivec, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil had a hand in it. When the war was won and he lay wounded they saw their opportunity to get rid of him. The three have since used the Heart to become gods. Dagoth Ur has become a devil. The upper ranks of the Temple are rotten with corruption. The Great Houses are impotent. The descendants of the proud Chimer are ruled by a foreign power. Perhaps the spirit of the Nerevar would not choose to return as a dark elf. A stronger vessel is needed this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crim, The Red Thunder Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 Dark0ne, even though i started the thread, all credit should go to Dinin, who made the original post in the 'most over/underrated race' thread... i had long held these views, but never thought to start this until then. Past that, various people have contributed... if the mods didnt rid the thread of the (unrelated) posts, then you can check that thread to see how this got started. Ninjasalad: as for who chooses the nerevarine? My vote goes toward Magicka. This comes from the theory of Azura having set powerful (and VERY slow magicks at work...) in order to bring Nerevar back. The magick would have gone out among the world, going forth to look for a vessel suitable to the needs of the nerevarine.Interesting point! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunmer_jediknight Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 When I first started the game I thought it would be a great sence of irony if the savor of the dunmer was one of the slaver races :P . BUt after a while I had trouble picking things up and everyone makeing that sniffing sound was driveing me crazy!And then I discovered all the mods that had been made and since then I have had trouble keeping any one caracter lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenlyn Fayre Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Wow, you guys are really knowledgable about the history of Morrowind/Elder Scrolls! I'm impressed. (Note: Bribe Success! Tee hee) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crim, The Red Thunder Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 it's not all that much knowledge... i know that what i said looks like a lot, and so does some of the stuff other people have said here. But all of this is on the in-game books, except for some 'common sense' things. (point in case, the thing about the asian) People dont get me wrong, im not dissing your knowledge (Almsivi knows you've got a lot!!!!!) it's just that not everyone (most notably me...) knows as much as it looks like. I didnt know hardly anything about all this until about 1 1/2 weeks ago when i read the 4 books in the back of Vivec's palace. (Actually, most of my knowledge comes from just 2 of the books... the rest is what my onw demented mind and other people have had to say about it!) the 2 main books are listed below. These are the story of the fall of the dwemer, as they appear in the apographa and the hierographa (respectively) vivec_murdersVivec_no_murder For those who dont know, the hierographa is the 'bible' of the temple. The apographa is the parts they cut out or lied about, because it didnt fit with their religion, and some was even blasphemous. The apographa is something that almost NOONE ever gets to see, and it is one of the main reasons for the existence of the dissident priests. If you arent at a point in the game where you can read these yet, then my download on my first post here contains the first one... (the one from the apographa... the one the temple lies about!) Edit: (Of course, a lot of this is REALLY TRIVIAL knowledge, and is something many people wouldnt remember... so it is fairly impressive i guess.) [end shameless self-gratification] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramul Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 When I first started the game I thought it would be a great sence of irony if the savor of the dunmer was one of the slaver racesIf that happened, then would the Dunmer change their attitude towards slavery?I'm not sure if Dunmer IS the most sensible choice, given that the Dunmer the player would be using would have been raised in Imperial ways... P.S. 0632 GMT---Always remember to OPEN your tags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crim, The Red Thunder Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 huh... good point there about the background... but IF i remember my story correctly, it was never said that they HAD to have come from the imperial lands... Granted, they were placed in jail there, and they were sent to vvardenfell from there (by the command of Uriel) but that doesnt mean that some Altmer grew up (read: WAS RAISED) over in their homeland of Skyrim... (I think that's the altmer's land... or maybe the nords... im not too sure on this count...) so they would be raised in the order of their own culture, but immigrate to imperial lands. (where they were arrested!) by the same definition, your dark elf could have been raised in vvardenfel, in their own culture, but immigrated to imperial lands, before the events of morrowind... this can go either way, but it is a point nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaningutten Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I agree with Dinin... the cover art of the Hunter's blades books are, as to how I pictured drows (dark elves), the best! HERE is a link to Wizards of the Coast's Homepage, where you can download The Lone Drow wallpaper, which is the best looking 'visualization' of Drizzt available... As to the discussion about if the Nerevarine has to be a Dunmer: I find it disturbing that he doesn't only come back as a new race, he can even come back with a new gender... Now that puts the world in a new perspective :lol: Nah, if you want solution to this question, you'll first have to define what a spirit/soul is in Morrowind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crim, The Red Thunder Posted October 14, 2004 Author Share Posted October 14, 2004 that is a bit disturbing... let's just try to avoid the mental image of his significant other if he WASNT a male to begin with... id rather not have someone come in and say he couldve been a female... that just puts a few too many images of almalexia to mind... as for the definition of a what a spirit/soul is, that's easy! It's that glowing white orb that shoots up from your (just-killed) corpse with a soultrap spell! J/K Seriously, to define that, would require an in-depth feature of what the vvardenfell religion (or imperial religion, or any other Elder scrolls religion...) Most notably, what did the Chimer believe about the after life back when they worshipped the daedra? or, given different beliefs for the different daedra, then what was the specifics for the worshippers of Azura? My personal opinion (which will undoubtedly change as soon as i have some knowledge of in-game religious beliefs... i know NOTHING about it now... on any beliefs, not just beliefs of an afterlife.) is that a spirit and a soul are 2 different things (applies to real life too). A spirit is an intangible being who ALSO retains it's soul, but has lost it's corporeal form. Much like ancestor ghosts.A soul on the other hand is much more difficult to define... i look at it as being the personality and abilities of the owner. In other words, a soul holds your entire set of memories, personality, personal experience, etc... but what this would matter if nerevar's soul was the source of the resurrection... no, the incarnation, (resurrection is the wrong term... that would just bring back his ORIGINAL body...) then that would have a large effect on what could happen... However, a point this brings to mind, Nerevar was just a person. What if the incarnate is not really the original, but just a chosen substitute of Azura? I dont personally belive this, but it brings some interesting possibilities to mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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