Dinin Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Then great job on swift justice! I just kinda felt sorry for him and dangled a thread of hope in his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabbemaster Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Wasen't this a thread about the "old good games". It looks like it has turned in to a crime-discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Whether video games die out or not will be a question of economics. As long as there is demand, there will be supply. If the games die out it will be because people no longer want to play them because there is something else that is more compelling. And even then there will be a hard core of enthusiasts who will keep the genre alive by themselves. The nature of how video games are manufactured and supplied may well change dramatically but until all the old game play fanatics are recycled I can't see the genre dying out. And Shakkara, if there is a demand for games with high quality story lines etc. these will be supplied - provided they can be produced at a price that the market will bear. I have no idea what the size of the market is. It is mainly boys in their teens and early twenties and women in their late twenties and thirties as I understand and ought to be pretty big! But the afficionados who want the really high quality stuff may be a much smaller number. (To judge from the majority who must be buying the games that are sub-standard.) We may yet see computer games going the way of other products; very high quality stuff becoming the province of the wealthy! But dying out - I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakkara Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 The problem is that back in the old days the average idiot could not use a computer. There was no windows-for-lamers, you had DOS, try to get your games running with that, you n00b! So, the game developers were always aiming at more intelligent people, since they were the only ones using computers, and the idiots were not. Nowadays every idiot can push a button and run a game (and even now it's still too hard for some people, so those people just buy an XBox), so the companies today do not aim at intelligent people anymore, no they make games that appeal to idiots, the people that do not want to spend more then a year on a game, but instead want to buy it, finish it in a week, blast some friends in multiplayer, and claim to be 1337, then buy another game 2 weeks later. It's sad. Almost every game that's released nowadays I finish in a couple of days and think "is that all?" :( My disappointments the last few years that were utter crap:DUNGeonsiegeAge of MythologyWarcraft 3Anno 1503Dungeonkeeper 2C&C GeneralsMasters of Orion 3HaegmoniaSavage battle for NewrethSpellforce the Order of DawnBeyond DivinityWH40k: Dawn of War Games that I was waiting for but in the end disappointed me:PerimeterSacredKult Heretic Kingdoms (finished that on hardest in less then a week, which devs said was impossible) Give me something good before I die... Haven't got anything decent for years now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaiv Posted October 24, 2004 Author Share Posted October 24, 2004 Actually, if you're looking for a good musical score, check out Advent Rising. From the "Features" section of AdventTrilogy.com:-Soundtrack performed by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and Los Angeles Orchestra -Dolby Digital 5.1 support I agree - once gaming has become much more underground and less prevalent, people will start making games with good storylines, good art [not necessarily graphics], good music, etc..... Even if a game doesn't have good music, "brand-new exciting features", etc.... it can still be fun. Metroid. The original Zelda. The Original Mario Bros. Ice Hockey. The list goes on..... *Goes off to play BGII* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crim, The Red Thunder Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Well... even the repetitious games can be good, and not all games are bad just because you 'beat' them quick. (Im going out on a limb here, since i never heard of the ones you mentioned... but nonetheless...) Ask yourself this. How long can you beat the main quest in morrowind? 3 hours, 8, 6, what? Now ask yourself how many hours to become head of ALL the (possible guilds. just 1 great house.) guilds. ive devoted over *checks calender* 5 weeks and i could have finished the main quest oh... say... 4 weeks ago? People, pl;ay for perfection. Not just the main thing. I had this problem when people complained about halo. (Example: I beat it the day i got it!) Notice that he RAN from half the dnaged enemies, acted like a coward, and never took the time to admire the scenery, see just how much stuff he could collect, smash the aliens bodies with the butt of your gun, etc. So he beat the game fast. He missed out on almost all the good stuff in it. Every game has something good, you just have to look for it. (like the bloody heart in the first level!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakkara Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Problem is that the new games DO NOT HAVE anything to do besides finishing the game. I spent over a year on Morrowind. I spent over a year with the Baldur's Gate games. I'm not aiming to finish the game in one day, but I want to have something to do, and most games are too damn linear so you cannot do anything besides finishing it. Most games just don't have anything good in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hundinman Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 well, a lot of good points have been made here. some people are saying how graphics have reached there high point and video games cant keep getting better wi9thout the constant change in graphic goodness. I dissagree with this in many ways but will only state 2. Graphics have not reached there high point. at least not in video games. cinematic graphics like the ones in lord of the rings or star wars are always a step ahead of game graphics. so, i have not seen a video game yet with graphics as good as those in the movies. so, we do still have a litle ways to go. point 2: Graphics are not the only critical aspect of great games. oter important aspects are physics, music, storyline, voice overs, visual effects, and others. so, as you can see, my opinion thinks that games are going to kep getting better for a long time. HM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaiv Posted October 26, 2004 Author Share Posted October 26, 2004 Many times that has been discussed....... While graphics haven't reached their "limit," they are very close to it. Just look at the Unreal 3 Engine. It's near cinematic quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 They make 3d comp screens now so that will take a while to settle in. I think, rather as with the recording of music, technology is moving so fast that no one can consider a long-term view. If we are in a period of transition it would be wrong to judge the current situation as being definitive. I stick by my opinion that if there is a demand for intelligent games there will be a supply. But the lag time may be such that we have to wait a while before it happens. Has anyone tried Myst 4? That is supposed to require intelligence. I'm not into the Myst games myself so I have no experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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