Abortion

[Indoril Nerevar]

No I have not, and I hope that the choice never has to arise.

[Malchik]

Yes

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It's nice to see you understand my point, Indoril. But watch out that you don't sound too patronising or you will antagonise other forum members.

 

BTW if you intend to practice absinence from sexual congress, you'll need to abstain from alcohol too!

[Indoril Nerevar]

Why, is there a need for alcohol? Last time I checked I decided not to even try it or associate myself with those who might impose that practice on me. Thanks for your concern Malchik.

[Malchik]

I am always concerned about the young and green but please refrain from adding pointless posts. They are called spam and they require moderators to take action. Be warned!

[Guest]

I think that Indoril Nerevar was pointing to to the fact that there really is no need for alchohol, so why is there a need for sex before marrige.

 

Thumbs up to you Indoril!

 

"Selfish? Every existence is selfish - your existence is consuming resources that are then no longer available to anyone else. Your use of electricity to power your computer adds to environmental pollution. The western lifestyle is built upon exploitation of the developing world - so don't give me that holier-than-thou attitude." -- Theta Orionis

 

Theta, just because everyone else is selfish means you have to be? That is nonesense and a horrible excuse for selfishness.

[ThetaOrionis01]

In case anyone wondered, Kotar is posting from the same IP address Indoril Nerevar was using before being transferred to the 'banned' group.

 

Coincidence? I think not.

[Ancalagon]

Abortion is about choice. In the end, at least in my belief, it should be dictated by the choice of the individual, and not the State. Aboriton is a private matter, concerning only the woman and maybe immediate family. For an exterior entity (read Government or other institution) to dictate and decide an indvidual right and choice is just wrong. Even if the choice is being made because the person in question made an irresponsible decision and is shirking the responsibility of parenthood, they should still be allowed to make that choice.

 

In the same light, a girl who becomes pregnant by means of forced sexual intercourse (rape) should by all means be allowed the right to an abortion if she so chooses to do so. So abstinence doesn't always work, if you want to accept the reality of rape as another factor. Even though I find this reason (rape->pregnant ergo abortion) more acceptable than the former irresposible scenario stated, both stand on the same principle, that being the choice of the individual over that of the State.

 

I agree with Peregrine on the principle that a pregnancy by irresponsible sex should not be entitled to an abortion, however it is not my call to make. Nor is it the State's, nor is it anyone's call to make. It is the individual's choice, their call to make, since it is their body and their fetus/baby/larvae (:P facetious, I know...). Making the claim that abortion is wrong because the fetus is a sentient being is in itself a weak argument. A fetus is, granted, a developing human being, but it is not sentient (at least not on our level). I ask you this: Do you remember what life was like when you were in the first trimester (ten weeks I believe en utero(sp)), or even when you were three or four months along? Even if a first tremester fetus resembles a human physically, the resemblance stops there. It is not self-aware because it is still developing. It is alive, but not sentient, at least not on the level that would allow it to compose a work on the level of Shakespeare or Whitman.

 

If you're going to define that as murder, then what about semen? Should masturbation be considered a form of murder, since semen are potential human beings? All those poor potential world leaders, great musicians, nobel laureates (a guy can dream can't he?) gone! If you're going to argue on the platform that abortion is equal to murder, then I say go for the gusto and label masturbation as murder too. BUT WAIT! Why stop there? Why not go after post-sex urination as well? What about those poor stragglers who were left behind and never made it with their brethren? It's not fair! I say every sperm should have it's day!

 

That's how I feel about that; if you're offended (or amused) then you're entitled to that opinion.

 

And...

 

I still believe that abortion rests on the choice of the woman.

[thranduill]

I am ,personally speaking, against abortion.

I dont care when the phoetus became a man, to me all what is in the universe is part of an infinite life, starting from a stone until a saint, passing through my cat.

So, if I eat a fish I will thank him because ,through its death I get life.

The same I do also if I eat a carrot.

To me everithing and everybody are inter-dependent and we cannot live without

the rest of the universe.

Ourselves, we are a transformation of the bacteria living in water 500 million years ago.

That said and made clear, I agree on the fact that everybody has the right to live his life and, I add, to die his death.

For this reason,when we had to vote on aborption many years ago I voted

pro abortion.

[Ancalagon]

I am ,personally speaking, against abortion.

I dont care when the phoetus became a man, to me all what is in the universe is part of an infinite life, starting from a stone until a saint, passing through my cat.

So, if I eat a fish I will thank him because ,through its death I get life.

The same I do also if I eat a carrot.

To me everithing and everybody are inter-dependent and we cannot live without

the rest of the universe.

Ourselves, we are a transformation of the bacteria living in water 500 million years ago.

That said and made clear, I agree on the fact that everybody has the right to live his life and, I add, to die his death.

For this reason,when we had to vote on aborption many years ago I voted

pro abortion.

 

That made no sense whatsoever. Really, I'm all effin confused and such now. You contradicted your original statement of being against abortion by stating that a few years ago you voted for it. And the whole metaphysical/mystic thing was totally lost on me, seriously. Not to be rude or mean, but I take it English isn't your first language?

[Peregrine]

That made no sense whatsoever. Really, I'm all effin confused and such now. You contradicted your original statement of being against abortion by stating that a few years ago you voted for it.

 

I believe his point was that he is against it in his own life, but accepts that other people have different standards and voted to give them the choice.