quest and adventure mod category

[ZigmondWarden]

wow not one updated since the 13th

No wonder when I've tried to run them

things messed up. 

Really wondering what works the best together, I see some things almost 10 years old that works but new stuff, leaves things to be ...........

[363rdChemicalCompany]

10 hours ago, ZigmondWarden said:

wow not one updated since the 13th

No wonder when I've tried to run them

things messed up. 

Really wondering what works the best together, I see some things almost 10 years old that works but new stuff, leaves things to be ...........

Many older quest mdos sitll work.

I am not sure I full understand the rest of your post though?

[ZigmondWarden]

I did not want to rant and rage on how many mods are over 8 years old and are not useful.

While mods that are newer and up to date do not work properly.

in my play through the mods I been using in Vortex if there is a conflict I remove it.

I see a lot of mods that say patching, but when u go to use the mod they are patching it does not work, what good is the patching.

I realize about 75% of the mods before 2020, the authors seem to have abandon them.

I wonder if Nexus can Archive a lot of these files?

[worm82075]

Are you running the latest version of the game?

[ZigmondWarden]

Yes, The latest of everything. 

I check everyday for updates.

I realize it takes time to update mods.

 

[worm82075]

It's hard to hit a moving target. There will be more patches until the game is running right again so might be best to hold off on trying to play it till they are done. Me personally, i don't have an immediate interest in the added content so i will remain on 1.10.163 with my stable 180 mod set until Bethesda is done.

[fraquar]

I cringe every time I hear people use the word "abandon" with mods - like they are supposed to be perpetually updated or something.

[worm82075]

I cringe every time someone tries to change the English language because their feelings infer new meaning or intent to an existing word.

abandoned adjective

aban·doned ə-ˈban-dənd 

 

1: left without needed protection, care, or support

2: left by the owner

3: left to fall into a state of disuse

4: no longer held or thought of : given up

 

[fraquar]

1)  How long do you expect "support"?     By that definition it is an open-ended definition the needs to be tempered with "people have lives to live".

2)  Of course it's left by the owner - they made it for THEMSELVES and decided to share what they made with others.

3)  That depends on the answer to #1 - because a lot of mods made in the early stages of the game release did not benefit from advanced methods acquired over time.

4)  See #2.   If they have moved on from the game (like many do), why on earth would you expect them to keep updating it?  

There is simply a point in time where a mod author moves on with LIFE.  

It's the USERS responsibility to understand that and respect that - not think of every mod author as their indentured servant.

Edited May 23 by fraquar

[ScytheBearer]

7 hours ago, fraquar said:

1)  How long do you expect "support"?     By that definition it is an open-ended definition the needs to be tempered with "people have lives to live".

2)  Of course it's left by the owner - they made it for THEMSELVES and decided to share what they made with others.

3)  That depends on the answer to #1 - because a lot of mods made in the early stages of the game release did not benefit from advanced methods acquired over time.

4)  See #2.   If they have moved on from the game (like many do), why on earth would you expect them to keep updating it?  

There is simply a point in time where a mod author moves on with LIFE.  

It's the USERS responsibility to understand that and respect that - not think of every mod author as their indentured servant.

As a mod author, I definitely agree with your last two sentences.  It is a sad; truth, however that some players think mod authors "owe" them something beyond the scope of our mods.

That said, I take issue with some of the rest of what you said.  Unless a mod maker dies unexpectedly, there is no reason for them to leave a mod active and available without support.  If a mod maker is no longer going to support or maintain a mod, take the mod down or turn it over to someone else who is willing to maintain the mod.  Unmaintained mods are simply a waste of space, clutter up the field and contribute credibility to the bad reputation of mod makers in general. 

Furthermore, unmaintained mods and absent mod makers make life difficult for the rest of us active mod makers when conflicts arise.  With no one to contact to support the conflicting mod or to grant permission for the creation of a patch by an existing author, such conflicts put users in a position of choosing one mod at the expense of another, when a simple patch would allow a user to have both.  

Finally, even though I can accept that a mod author (even me) makes mods for themselves and takes pleasure in sharing them with other game players, I cannot accept that a mod maker is absolved for any responsibility of the consequence of a user using my mod.  If my mod breaks a users game, it isn't the users fault, nor the games fault.  It is the mod makers fault, and the mod maker has a responsibility to correct any failing in their mod or to withdraw that mod from general availability.  There can be no compromising a mod maker's responsibility for the care and feeding of their active mods, and simply walking away and throwing up their hands is unacceptable.