Daelyn Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 Okay, so I am using the mod Thieves Guild Alternate Endings. In Bronze Water Cave, which is where you speak to Karliah right after Mercer was killed, and you had to swim to the top and out of the water filling cavern, but whenever I try to use the exit, after speaking to Karliah, I get half a second of seeing the loading screen and then get a CTD. I have tried this around ten times now, and it always happens. I logged a bug report for Anbeegod, the mod creator, and he said to disable his mod, then try it and see if I can then exit the cave without a CTD. But I no longer have the save right there. Well, I do have the save right before going into that Dwemer Ruin, and my game seems pretty stable so far with that, being level 57, but before Anbeegod responded, I decided to use the console command - player.moveto <NPCrefID> and I chose to teleport to Jarl Balgruuf over in Whiterun. All seemed to be going okay, until I went into Warmaidens to sell some loot, and when I tried to leave, I got an infinate loading screen. This was replicated around 4 or 5 times, and always the same thing, but only after I sold items to the merchant inside there. I'm concerned that using this latest save now will have corrupted or generally messed up things in my game. Is this a known issue with using this console command? Should I restart the dungeon run from that previous save, get to the end and disable the Thieves Guild Alternate Endings if I still get the CTD when trying to leave? What would you do? I'm thinking I should restart it that dungeon, even though it took around an hour or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger808 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 That’s probably your easiest and safest bet, and do not delete that clean save for at least a few days once you clear the quest just to be on the safe side, and once doing the quest save often and delete the corrupted saves as soon as you clear the quest. Failing that, and if your old save does the same thing, rather than console command teleporting, try disabling collision and ghost your way out. Did your game crash after being in the cave exit where you talk to Karliah, or after she gave you the bow? And as you found out, console commands are tricky, sometimes they are a godsend, other times a curse that will rear its ugly head later on. Also, do hard saves often, do not depend on auto saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daelyn Posted October 20 Author Share Posted October 20 1 hour ago, Gunslinger808 said: That’s probably your easiest and safest bet, and do not delete that clean save for at least a few days once you clear the quest just to be on the safe side, and once doing the quest save often and delete the corrupted saves as soon as you clear the quest. Failing that, and if your old save does the same thing, rather than console command teleporting, try disabling collision and ghost your way out. Did your game crash after being in the cave exit where you talk to Karliah, or after she gave you the bow? And as you found out, console commands are tricky, sometimes they are a godsend, other times a curse that will rear its ugly head later on. Also, do hard saves often, do not depend on auto saves. Yes, it was after she gives the bow, and all the options to say to her have been done, and the only thing left to do is to leave. I just don't want to mess up my really long game I have going. So it seems like I'll have to redo that dungeon, and then try to leave the cave, and if it doesn't work, I'll try to disable the mod to see if it's responsible, and after that, I guess disable collision. Can you ghost to a loading point? I've never tried that. But that's the thing, the cave exit that you are supposed to take is right there and not blocked, but for some reason only causes a CTD. To ghost through the walls only makes sense to go back the way I got in there. Down through the water and past the door that becomes blocked after you go into the cavern with the Falmer Statue, to confront Mercer Frey. So I'd need to go backwards to get out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger808 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 Yeah, I’d go ahead and disable the mod for that quest and see what happens. If your game does it again try TLC, it’s worth a shot. It’s a pretty safe option, and your followers will catch up to you if you have any. And just out of curiosity, do you have any mods that might be affecting the cell you’re trying to go to from Bronze Water? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb54 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 There are several mods that have spell books for "BLINK" .. which teleports you to short distances in front of you. They come in very handy at times!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyday01 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 Have you tried from a save before you entered that dungeon going to the exit from the cave by fast travel or whatever. At least it could tell you if there is a problem with that exterior cell. Have you considered in the future working one quest line straight through without side stuff. If there is a bug in a questline it cuts down on how much needs to be redone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daelyn Posted October 20 Author Share Posted October 20 13 hours ago, Gunslinger808 said: Yeah, I’d go ahead and disable the mod for that quest and see what happens. If your game does it again try TLC, it’s worth a shot. It’s a pretty safe option, and your followers will catch up to you if you have any. And just out of curiosity, do you have any mods that might be affecting the cell you’re trying to go to from Bronze Water? Okay, I tested it again without the mod after speaking to Karlia and it's a CTD still. I enabled the mod again, and used TCL to try and go through the far door in the water - nothing happens. You just keep swimming in darkness. It really seems like I'm boxed in. Is there no safe way to teleport out without bugging up the save? Hard save before entering dungeon, and before going into Bronze Water Cave from the filled up water chamber. Nothing seems to be working to just get me out of here safely, nothing that I am aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daelyn Posted October 21 Author Share Posted October 21 I have over 700 mods in my list, and Anbeegod reccomended I remove mods until I find what is causing it. I don't feel like spending 10 hours doing this. There has to be something one can do to port their character out of that cell and not mess up your game. The game reguarily does this to you, including the forms of fast travel. What about : player.paycrimegold <X> <Y> <FactionID> On occasion, this may not pay off the entire bounty X = 1 Remove stolen items. 0 Do not remove stolen items. Y = 1 Go to jail. 0 Do not go to jail. Putting yourself in jail? movetoqt <QuestID> Move to quest target. Shouldn't this work without bugging your game up? Anyway, I am stuck in that cell as it is right now. i'm not impressed by this. I could use any helpful advice here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daelyn Posted October 21 Author Share Posted October 21 On 10/20/2024 at 2:45 AM, Gunslinger808 said: And just out of curiosity, do you have any mods that might be affecting the cell you’re trying to go to from Bronze Water? Not that I am aware of. I do have all my companions that popped into the cave with me, and Serana from the Serana Dialogue Add On is out on her own seeking a cure for her vampirism. But nothing I can think of that would affect that cell, other than the quest mod that I tried with it disabled and it still CTD. It's just to the outside world I would think, is it not? Or maybe it goes back to the beginning of the dungeon, I don't know because I cannot complete it. This dungeon for this quest is unique in that it makes all your companions remain outside. They want you to do it alone. But as soon as you get into that last cell, Bronze Water Cave, which is really small by the way, your companions are all magically teleported back to you. On 10/20/2024 at 8:54 AM, jjb54 said: There are several mods that have spell books for "BLINK" .. which teleports you to short distances in front of you. They come in very handy at times!! Do they teleport you out of the cell you're in? If they do, do you know the name of one? I did a search and cannot find any that do that. On 10/20/2024 at 9:58 AM, greyday01 said: Have you tried from a save before you entered that dungeon going to the exit from the cave by fast travel or whatever. At least it could tell you if there is a problem with that exterior cell. Have you considered in the future working one quest line straight through without side stuff. If there is a bug in a questline it cuts down on how much needs to be redone. Yes. I have a hard save before entering Irkingthand, and one right before Bronze Water Cave. I have left right after entering Irkingthand, and it works no problem. The issue is that Bronze Water Cave is about four cells away, after two large dungeon levels, and then a boss fight room with the huge Snow Elf statue, and then the flood that you have to survive. Then we have the very small cell, Bronze Water Cave that is the last part of the dungeon before being able to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger808 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 Well heck, was hoping it would clear for you. After exhausting all other possibilities you can try to either reset the quest or complete it using console commands. In either case the quest ID is 00021554, use the command resetquest or completequest and hope it works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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