ThetaOrionis01 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Could you expand on state killings in South Korea a bit please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albareth Posted August 31, 2003 Author Share Posted August 31, 2003 I wasn't aware of South Korean state killings, I'm aware of North Korean though... but every country has its skeletons, wouldn't surprise me given how some goverments claiming to be "good guys" actually do horrrendous things... If this wasn't just an honest typo, I'd really like a few links if you got em, I like to know both sides of an issue whenever I can. :) -- As for the death penalty - you read a bit wrong Asclepus, yes, I support them and said so. :P We do however not have them here and we have a very low crime rate here in Iceland, so it's not essential to keep a good order in the country IMO, it's just easier and more efficient. Plus personally I don't see why those people who earn such a conviction should be kept alive, sure, there may be innocent people convicted and I'll get to that point in a sec but speaking of the guilty here, do you seriously believe in the "right to live" for mass murders or other people who're getting this conviction? As to the innocent people convicted, I think the answer to that problem is not to abolish the death penalty, but to improve the system that judges them to it, and when the system can't be perfected more, I still think the few innocents are a worthy sacrifice. (Yes - I don't believe that "I'd rather save one innocent than convict ten guilty" quote), by catching and convicting and possibly executing the real criminals we catch we're saving more innocent lives IMO than we're losing innocents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Corbett Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Yes. Barely. I find that, for certain "REALLY F***ING BAD PEOPLE", it should be an option. However, as a usual case, I disagree. By the way, I don't really think that there's any bias in a system that fairly persecutes people; for example, 3% of Canada's population is Native (pre-European, anyway), however, 16% of our incarcerated population is. Why? Not because judges are prejudiced, but because they commit more crimes. So, if poor African-Americans -- and I really hate using that term, as it's my personal belief that, in most cases, you are a member of your country / region by choice, not a member of two by birth -- commit more capital offences, they should have more people on death row. HOWEVER, if they commit the same amount and they simply can't afford good lawyers / public defenders suck, then I would have an objection. As a Canadian, I cannot give proper comment on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPUS Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Perhaps I did not make myself clear earlier. I am definitely FOR the Death Penalty. Sorry if I caused any confusion there. I usually type these posts late at night and this is noyt the best time for clear thought. And I do agree that it is necessary to catch the criminals. Unfortunately, a few mistakes are made. This is a human society and we are not perfect. We all do the best we can. Yes, mass murderers need to be put to death, so do those who commit genocide and other crimes against humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltiraaz Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Well, in the case of really, really bad people, (as DrCorbett put it :P ), Eg, Osama Bin Laden, Hitler, etc. Then maybe it is a little more justified, I just don't feel that it's right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakkara Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 I don't support it IN ANY CASE. Even if my family would get killed or something like that. Forgiveness is not that hard. Over here (Netherlands) you cannot get more then 15 years in prison regardless of your crime unless people are mentally handicapped, sick or have any other disorder. And I think that's a good thing. 15 years is a long time. But over here crime seems to be such a rarity that every robbery makes it to the newspapers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesaynothin Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 I am against the death penalty for two reasons. 1. If someone is wrongly convicted, they still have a chance to be let off free. Yes, they lost a good part of their life, but they still HAVE their life. 2. For people who did do those things, well, death is to good for 'em. stick them in the hole for the rest of their lives, let 'em rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakkara Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 On some sidenote, today over 100 deathsentances have been converted to life in prison in the states of Arizona, Montana and Idaho. Becauase only a Jury can sentance someone to death apparantly and these sentances haven't been passed by one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albareth Posted September 4, 2003 Author Share Posted September 4, 2003 I am against the death penalty for two reasons. 1. If someone is wrongly convicted, they still have a chance to be let off free. Yes, they lost a good part of their life, but they still HAVE their life. 2. For people who did do those things, well, death is to good for 'em. stick them in the hole for the rest of their lives, let 'em rot. That is rather contradictory there. First you say it's better to be life in prison than be executed... then you say it's worse. First you assume they'll be let out long before they die... second you sound like you're assuming they won't. The thing is - the same goes for the guilty convicted and innocent convicted, in the eyes of the Law both are guilty. When you're a normal citizen you're innocent until proven guilty, once convicted you're guilty until proven innocent. Death penalty cannot be judged by these standards, since it's always the same percentage of innocents suffering the death penalty... and life in prison. You're just choosing different methods of punishment (and punishment by mistake). :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesaynothin Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 My post was to try and say that people convicted for murder should spend their life in some hole rotting, but if they are innocent they still have the chance to get out of that hole and lead another life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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