Edeldios Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Ok, So I played and moded skyrim a year ago. I decided I wanted to run another play through using different mods for a different experience yesterday. Since I had a few corrupted "Bermuda triangle" areas towards the end of my last play through I decided to completely delete and reinstall skyrim along with any mods I wanted. I only chose mods that enhanced immersion and my lore experience, and made sure to double check and research each one to make sure there would be no conflicts. So I got Alternative Start - Live Another Life. The game crashes as soon as I finish the character creation section and I am able to look around the room, I can get no further before it CTDs. I tried turning off Alternative Start, starting a new game and the result was the game starting out the vanilla way with a twist, and I mean that literally! I started out waking up in the cart, only my head was spinning around, what I could make out was noticing that things weren't put together the way they should be, like the wheel was sticking up through the bottom of the cart and there was no horse in front, it was walking next to it about 10 feet away to the right. The graphics also look horrible. I've gone through every trouble shooting advice and tools I can think of, and I am not a beginner modder. I'm using Wrye Bash, SKSE, SkyUI, Safety Load, ENBoost, all are up to date. My video drivers are all up to date. I have run TES5Edit to make sure all mods are in the correct load order. They are. I don't have BOSS, but only because it refuses to install. It says that MSVCP120.dll is missing from my computer even though I've triple checked and verified that it is indeed on my computer. But This is a separate issue and shouldn't have any impact on the reason my game keeps ctd where it does. I've already run through every youtube ctd troubleshooting video I can find, and I can't find any reason why it keeps crashing. Right now I've got about 130 or so mods, so I'm not even close to the limit. Anyone have any ideas I may have missed to fix this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgiegril Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I think your problems started with your method of reinstalling. Uninstall/reinstall will not remove all traces of mod content.To do that you need to follow the Step Guide for reverting to vanilla. (the link is in the spoiler-tag section below.) Then, to set up mods without having troubles, the below may help you. Reveal hidden contents 1. Go to STEP and follow the directions to revert to vanilla skyrim.2. Start a new game, do not attempt to apply an old save, it will not work and may reintroduce corruption back into your now clean game.3. Do not make any changes at all until you exit Helgen (the other option is to start with an alternate start mod to avoid the Helgen sequence.)4, Before making any changes, read everything available on the subject. If it is a mod, read every last word of the readme, description, discussion thread, everything. If it is an ini change, google it, visit a few reputable sources and determine if it is worth trying. Just because one guy puts up a list of his ini changes and swears buy it does not mean it will work for you, and it might even make things worse. When considering any change, mod, .ini file, setting, whatever, consider it in light of your own system hardware and software and the other mods/changes you intend to make. Investigate any possible conflicts before adding it.5. When you are ready to make any changes (mods, ini settings, anything) attempt only 1 or two at a time. If it's a mod, run BOSS. BOSS is a regular program, not a mod. There is a useful vid for BOSS, here. Set it up to generate the log in .txt format, not html. Read the log and address any messages. In any case, play a bit to test for stability, performance, and compatibility. Make sure to properly place the unrecognized mods as instructed by the mod author, or use TES5Edit or WryeBAsh, or if all else fails, place it with similar mods that are recognized, though that is more trial and error. Also, a number of excellent mods require you use skse. You can find it here. It now has an automatic installer. on that page, you will see there is a link to a readme, which you should read for help understanding the program. There is also another gopher vid to help you set it up, here.6. If you notice any negative effect of your change (not just crashes, but performance loss, glitches, anything), Stop. Do not attempt to keep playing and definitely do not add any new variables into your system. Investigate the possible causes. If it is a mod and you want to try to remove it, then remove it, but be sure to follow the author's removal instructions exactly. To be safe, go back to the save from just before you added it. (This is easy of you are slowly adding mods, but extremely painful if you add everything at once, play a bunch and have no idea where the problem lies. ) This will also help you avoid with script problems from removed mods that will continue and may get worse.7. If you get stuck, post a detailed question before you get frustrated. Detailed means t include your BOSS log, noting how you placed unrecognized mods, other supporting programs you have used (like TES5Edit, skse, Any texture optimizers, enbs, etc.) Also provide your computer specs, any changes to your driver profile and/or skyrim ini files. Finally, provide details about the crash--how long you've had it, what changed before you first noticed it, any patterns like time playing, specific areas or activities like opening a menu or such. Explain what you have already tried to fix the problem and what the results were.8. Once you get your mods and other changes the way you want them, your game is stable and performing well, then stop. Every time you add or change any variable, you are inviting instability. If a new mod shows up and you think you just have to have it, ask yourself if it is worth having to start all over for--because, you may have to. If the answer is yes, then go ahead and try it and if your game crashes, well, you were willing to take the risk. Recommendations for maintaining a trouble free game: 1. I personally suggest avoiding the Steam workshop for mods, because it will automatically update and sometimes even remove mods in your list, which can cause your game to die. Also, playing with Steam in offline mode will prevent unexpected updates from causing havoc. 2. Disable auto updates and avoid using quicksave, as these increase the chance of savegame corruption. Also, if your save does become corrupt, you will need to go back to your last working full save, which can be extremely painful if you rarely make them. You can do this by going into your Prefs.ini text file and then making sure the following lines look like this:[Main]bSaveOnPause=0bSaveOnTravel=0bSaveOnWait=0bSaveOnRest=0 [saveGame]fAutosaveEveryXMins=0.0000 For people who want the convenience of auto save with the functionality of a full save, there are a few mods you might check out, such as Ishara's Normal Numbered AutoSaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edeldios Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Ok, as informative as your was, it wasn't really helpful. The original copy of skyrim I played on my computer was a pirated copy. It was modded and worked fine. I know I'm going to get some crap about pirating skyrim now, but I already bought it for 360 and didn't want to purchase it again to play it with mods. The new version is legit and came from The Elder Scrolls Anthology pack. Since Skywind is in development I want to make sure I will be able to run it when it gets finished. I loaded the new copy of skyrim to a completely different folder on my computer. I was thorough when I purged the old copy of skyrim from my computer, all files and traces of it are completely gone. The recommendation that I use BOSS was pointless as I had already pointed out in my post that BOSS refuses to install on my computer. All of which are now mute points as I have deleted skyrim and all components from my computer yet again out of frustration due to this issue. If you can help with advice on a fresh install without any issues, and perhaps anything I have missed in my purge it would appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 If BOSS 'refuses' to install ( what exactly does that mean? ) My mental image is a 4 year old stomping their foot and saying NO! you can't make me install! :unsure: You may have a deeper problem - BOSS does not require anything from either the game or steam to install and is working for hundreds of thousands of users without a problem. I use the same BOSS for Oblivion and Fallout3 which are not Steam games and are installed in a completely difference place and even a different hard drive - as well as for Fallout New Vegas and Skyrim that are Steam games. It never even gave a hiccup. It found all 4 games and was able to sort them no matter where they were installed. Did you clean the left over registry entries that point things in the game to the old locations of the game files? To clean them, you must completely remove all folders and files( I assume that was your purge), then immediately REBOOT the computer (this is very important) , then, immediately run a registry cleaner ( be careful to read the documentation for whatever cleaner you use as they can remove stuff you may want to keep. ) After cleaning REBOOT again. To be ligit the ONLY place to install is inside of steam. Anywhere else and you are back where you started with misplaced registry entries. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaro_69_327 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 On 4/30/2014 at 12:22 PM, Edeldios said: Snip.....I'm using Wrye Bash, SKSE, SkyUI, Safety Load, ENBoost, all are up to date. <<<Good My video drivers are all up to date. <<<well sometimes latest is not best...lol Snip.... I don't have BOSS, but only because it refuses to install. It says that MSVCP120.dll is missing from my computer even though I've triple checked and verified that it is indeed on my computer. But This is a separate issue and shouldn't have any impact on the reason my game keeps ctd where it does. <<<<sure it can ..a BAD load Order can indeed Crash the game. See Below. Snip..... Anyone have any ideas I may have missed to fix this problem? GO to the Download page For BOSS 2.2 you will see the Link for "Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable" you have to get the x86 (32 bit) version for BOSS to work! Yes even if you have a x64 System! Welcome back from the dark side...lol:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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