tsun and other brawls

[KWmojave]

first of: i'm a fan of the elder scrolls serie and i love skyrim.

BUT there is something that has started to bother me... every time you brawl with someone and their health bar drops to zero they won't be killed. but IF your health bar drops to zero.... you die......

same thing goes for the battle(brawl) with Tsun, he knows that you're the dragonborn but kills you never the less if you lose...... I mean.... he just kills the ONLY person in Tamriel who can kill Alduin for good...... slight problem there????

 

just wondering if there's a mod that fixes just that problem??

 

p.s. i have 100 mods running so i do know how to install etc :P. and i have over 520 hours into my skyrim.

 

greetz,

KW

[Hyacathusarullistad]

This isn't a problem that a mod can fix. Rather, it's a problem that a mod has introduced.

 

Brawls are supposed to be magic free. Or rather, you're not supposed to use any sort of magic on your opponent. When you do, the brawl becomes regular combat, and your opponent will fight you to the death. But most brawl characters are essential, so they cannot die; they enter bleedout, then go hostile again when they recover.

 

What's likely happening is that one of your mods has applied a magical effect to the player that acts as a "cloak" of sorts. Wet & Cold is one example, I believe. Can't tell you what might have caused it, though, without seeing a BOSS log. In any case, your opponent is seeing this effect as hostile magic, and wants to kill you for it. There's a modders resource out there called the Brawl Bug Patch that you can install separately, which fixes this issue. It's designed to be incorporated into problem mods, but can be used as a standalone mod in itself I believe as well.

 

Tsun is different though. That's not a brawl, that's a fight. He will kill you if it means keeping an unworthy soul out of Shor's Hall. Doesn't matter who you are - if you can't beat him, you don't have a hope of defeating Alduin anyway. That's not a bug, it's just how the game works. What do you want him to do - let you in even though he beat you, as reward for being a noble loser or something? Let you try again until you succeed because the Dragonborn has low self esteem? What's the point of the fight in the first place, then?

Edited May 11, 2014 by Hyacathusarullistad

[sralkyrv]

If you fight Tsun it should be a nice thing if you loose the fight you fall on your knees, like all other npc's do, and then Tsun could send you back to Tamriel and not let you enter Shor's Hall. that would be, imho, a proper way to do it. You as Dragonborn are also essential so dying is not allways necessary.

[sralkyrv]

I did encounter a strange problem with a brawl when i was send to the cidhna mines, i use to have a fistfight with Borkul the Beast in order to meet Madanach but instead of only using his fist he used his pickaxe, which of course wasn't fair :sad: I tried using the console and throught the openactorcontainer command to take the pickaxe, which worked for a short time but then he got a new one. I then used destruction magic (as i am a mage), on him and killed him, all the other prisoners became hostile and attacked me so i had to kill them too and took the key from the ashpile (what was left of Borkul and all the other dead prisoners) and went to Madanach, who attacked me right away without any dialog, i killed him too, which i was planning to do anyhow LOL, i escaped and met Thonar, he gave me back my stuff and that was it, there where no guards that came after me for killing everyone in the mine.It was very strange, i had played this part a few times before but never had this weird problem before, all went like it should be (i guess).

[Hyacathusarullistad]

That's the same brawl bug as with any other character. A magical effect was applied to the NPC and they went fully hostile. Luckily with the Forsworn Conspiracy story there's an alternate path available, but not all quests have such a contingency. Very few do, actually. You'll want to find the Brawl Bug Patch.