falloutperson416 Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 If the Fallout 3 deal really happened, and our 2077 world as we dont currently know it happened, and the world was plunged into an abyss of nuclear fire and radiation... 2277, you are born... 19 years later, the dad you loved abandon vault 101 to see to the completion of a scientific project taking place at the Jefferson memorial... After you escape the vault using some slick method's your friend, Amata gave you, the vault door opens, and you step out to meet the blinding light of the afternoon sun... Day's later you meet up with an advanced organization known only as the Brotherhood Of Steel, and after chating with a couple of paladins and knights you return to venturing the wasteland looking for your father... 1-2 months have gone by, and you have forund your father, and you are doing some work for him, and the brotherhood... You've been sent to vault 87 to look for what could be the last "GECK" on the planet... After you retrieved the GECK, thank's to the help of an extremely intelegent super mutant known as Fawkes, you are captured by the tecknologically advanced Enclave, and are brought back to Raven Rock while your under the gas, or electricity... After you escape your cell and meet with the robotic leader known as President Eden, you feel quite intriuged with this new group of folks that you have stumbled across... You begin to think about joining there forces, but then you remember the Brotherhood, and that giant fritzy robot you would like to hang out with on a weekend... Your having thoughts of the pros and cons of each force, but then you think of another alternative, creating your own force, one that you invision could destroy the BoS and The Enc. combined! If you joined the BoS, Enclave, or made your own army, who would win in your battles? What war's would your new force cause? What will you choose to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apaosha Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 The Enclave were indirectly responsible for your fathers death; it would depend whether this would matter either way. Aside from that, I would side with the Enclave in a heartbeat, given a choice. It's a shame they're hostile by default, like Raiders. Consider that the Enclave is the only faction that manufactures new material. Couple that with their high technology and their cooler armour. Top it off with the "evil" stereotype and you're good to go .... With regards to the modified FEV, I would loosely support its use, given that its probably the only thing going to stop the Vault 87 Super Mutants in the long term. I found Eden turning on his soldiers to be hard to swallow - if he's insane, fair enough, but it seemed to be just a disagreement between him and Autumn to me.When the story sets up the villains to fail, it just gets silly. Narrative convenience can only be stretched so far ... - I've always disliked the Brotherhood for being faintly ridiculous techno-knights. Lyons and his bleeding heart altruism is either going to be incredibly self-destructive or is some sort of veiled attempt to secure a power base in the capital wasteland through winning the hearts and minds of the locals. Their use of 3 Dogs propaganda also would seem to support the latter. As would their recruitment of locals, according to Morgan.(Note that the BoS is/was fighting a losing war with the NCR in the south - Lyons may be trying to cut his losses and re-establish) In general, I would regard the BoS to be scavengers who got lucky at the Citadel; they can't produce technology like Liberty Prime, and they can't manufacture new suits of power armour (where anyone gets their supplies in this game is a serious plothole). The Citadel itself is a gutted ruin, except for Lyons' apartments - contrast this with Raven Rock and AAFB. The Enclave in general seem to be just better at what they do .... - The way I played my latest character was to side with the BoS up until you get to choose whether to bomb the Citadel, whereby I bombed the Citadel. The effect being both powers were crippled in the Capital Wasteland, leaving me to reign supreme ... (Follow-up operations involved cleaning out the GNR Building, among others ...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falloutperson416 Posted March 7, 2010 Author Share Posted March 7, 2010 Hehehe, see the funny thing is, I completely disagree: I'de go with the brotherhood over the Enclave anyday... But I do wish that the BoS had the tech the Enclave do... About the armor, BoS beet's Enclave by a long shot, but actually, when it comes right down to it I might make my own civilization... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malikin Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I have thought about it myself. Personally I would not side with the enclave. Simply put, even the bad guys can be smart. They should have, or would have, known that being too forceful would not work as well as pretending to be everyone's friend. Just imagine.. the BOS cannot compete as well against the Enclave. Imagine if the Enclave worked to win over the people of the Wasteland... a completely different story. However, with that being said, I am more tuned to be someone who starts my own army. The Enclave are to short sighted and does not play well wit others. The BOS are too stuck up and cannot get over themselves. Reily is the only faction that really matters, in a "I would work hard to help them grow" sense. The only thing that does make sense is when I find Talon fighting Mutants. Makes sense, it is not about good or evil, it is about survival. In the end that is what matters, in the Fallout mindset. I will survive and if it means killing you to do so... then so be it. I do not think I would go so far as to bomb the citadel. It makes a nice distraction for my enemies. What I never understood though, if I kill an Enclave soldier, and I collect the armour... if I then sold that armour to the BOS, why can't they use it to help defeat the enclave. Story loophole there. I kind of expected the BOS to start sporting Enclave armour after I blew up the Enclave.. twice. ~Mal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilneko Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I would have to side against the Enclave if for no other reason than because they are the single greatest threat to humanity out of all the factions in post-apocalyptia. They're out to kill everyone who isn't them, and have the weapons and technology to do it. The Brotherhood, meanwhile, doesn't care--Elder Lyons's bunch notwithstanding--and they are the only group that even comes close to having a real chance against the Enclave. Elder Lyons and his followers are pretty much the only hope the people of the capital wasteland have of a better life. Everyone else is either apathetic or out to kill them. Even from a neutral standpoint, the only logical choice for the sat strike is the Enclave. They're just that much more powerful than the Brotherhood--especially after the destruction of Liberty Prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilmicevil Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Well you see...im an irishman...once a man makes an enemy of me i hate them till the day i die....soo i would never join the enclave after what they did.. as for the brotherhood, i know there real goal is just to get new and powerful tech, so i would let them lend a hand in getting back at the enclave, but never let them get to close to me i'd most likely end up leading a gang of very loyal raiders. to help me about my way in the crazy mixed up fallout world.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rixirite Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 If Enclave wasn't so hostile to begin with I would have considered joining them just to see what it was like. On the other hand: They are evil bastards who represent repression among the people therefore I do not support the enclave for that. The BOS is cocky, and arrogant. When Sentinel Lyons first saw me she told me off like I was some dirty wastelander... So I really don't like the fact of siding with others, but being me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawlder Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Ever since I first played Fallout 2 I've supported the Enclave. While I seriously dislike Black Isle's decision to give the Enclave the dumbest plan in human history, where they would have killed everything including themselves in the long run, the thing changed in Fallout 3. In Fallout 3 the Enclave still wants to use FEV, but they are not going to since Autumn is the one who gets to decide, and he didn't want to use FEV.That said the Enclave remains just the government authority which in Autumn's words would just rule over the Wasteland just like the pre-war government.The Enclave would purge the super mutants with no difficulties since they know where they come from. The Enclave under the leadership of Autumn would deliver water to the locals just like the Brotherhood. Sure, the locals would lose much of their freedom and privacy, but is it really worse than being assaulted by Raiders, Slavers and Mutants daily? I like the Enclave even more so when Eden offered me a position in the Enclave.. This wasn't fulfilled since Beth couldn't afford hiring McDowell a second time. But then there's mods for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman132 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I'd take over the Enclave. Not one of the established Factions has Consistency or Organization enough to make the Wasteland a Place worth living in.The Enclave wants to kill everyone, because everyone is a Mutant.The BoS wants to save everyone, fair enough, sadly they are stuck up, snobbish and stupid.The Outcasts are even more stuck up and stupid. The Enclave at least has the Resources to make the Place livable and i would be the only one in the entire Wasteland who has the Will and the Intelligence to do so apparently; every other Agenda is plain moronic. They are too stupid to build Purifiers themselves, it's mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman132 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I'd take over the Enclave. Not one of the established Factions has Consistency or Organization enough to make the Wasteland a Place worth living in.The Enclave wants to kill everyone, because everyone is a Mutant.The BoS wants to save everyone, fair enough, sadly they are stuck up, snobbish and stupid.The Outcasts are even more stuck up and stupid. The Enclave at least has the Resources to make the Place livable and i would be the only one in the entire Wasteland who has the Will and the Intelligence to do so apparently; every other Agenda is plain moronic. They are too stupid to build Purifiers themselves, it's mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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