Homosexuality: The Mental Illness That Went Away

[Vagrant0]

If you want a serious discussion on the matter, I'm in the strong opinion that the bulk of society is just not ready to tackle this subject without involving all sorts of personal baggage, propaganda, prejudice, championing, or outright misstatement of facts (especially once you start dealing with "experts"). If you're curious, the information is out there for anyone brave enough to slog through it while trying to look past biases, if you have the lifetime to spend with nothing to really show for it. However, the TL:DR is that people are people, all forms of love have been called madness at some point, all forms of pleasure have been called sin, everyone has their vices which will usually lead to their destruction, and while efforts to curb madness, sin and vice have never worked, it doesn't stop people from trying through violence, fanaticism, or spreading ignorance that arguably does more damage than the thing trying to be controlled.

 

The entire reason as to why the topic exists is just due to human stupidity and the want to make a thing meaningful for the purposes of labeling, separating, identifying, and controlling. But that is also just how humans are.

[kvnchrist]

I kind of thought this had been debated into the ground some time ago. This is one of those grey areas, like religion which the most passionate, either for or against bring out their big guns and after everything is decimated the issue remains unresolved.

 

Homosexuality is a love and as such is a madness to those who aren't apart of it. How many times have you seen a couple together and you say to yourself, "I don't see what she sees in him?" Well, of course you don't. You aren't the one in love and the actions of love seem crazy to you.

[MajKrAzAm]

Modern day scientists and psychiatrists consider homosexuality to be normal. We are also studying the behaviour in animals. It is very common in goats and we are now discovering and understanding the reasons why this happens in nature. :smile:

Homosexuality in animals is almost always an expression of pathology or extreme environmental turmoil.

[standalone09]

 

Modern day scientists and psychiatrists consider homosexuality to be normal. We are also studying the behaviour in animals. It is very common in goats and we are now discovering and understanding the reasons why this happens in nature. :smile:

Homosexuality in animals is almost always an expression of pathology or extreme environmental turmoil.

 

 

And i dont think we will ever find "Sick" Animals in the normal beauty of nature by itself.

 

Good Job humanity your not only killing yourself with certain life styles but our friends the animals suffer too if not worse. :smile:

(ps im not refering to homosexuality captain obvious)

Edited July 6, 2014 by standalone09

[HeyYou]

 

 

Modern day scientists and psychiatrists consider homosexuality to be normal. We are also studying the behaviour in animals. It is very common in goats and we are now discovering and understanding the reasons why this happens in nature. :smile:

Homosexuality in animals is almost always an expression of pathology or extreme environmental turmoil.

 

 

And i dont think we will ever find "Sick" Animals in the normal beauty of nature by itself.

 

Good Job humanity your not only killing yourself with certain life styles but our friends the animals suffer too if not worse. :smile:

(ps im not refering to homosexuality captain obvious)

 

Never doubt humanities ability to come up with newer, faster, more efficient ways of killing their fellow man. It is what we are best at.

[standalone09]

 

 

 

Modern day scientists and psychiatrists consider homosexuality to be normal. We are also studying the behaviour in animals. It is very common in goats and we are now discovering and understanding the reasons why this happens in nature. :smile:

Homosexuality in animals is almost always an expression of pathology or extreme environmental turmoil.

 

 

And i dont think we will ever find "Sick" Animals in the normal beauty of nature by itself.

 

Good Job humanity your not only killing yourself with certain life styles but our friends the animals suffer too if not worse. :smile:

(ps im not refering to homosexuality captain obvious)

 

Never doubt humanities ability to come up with newer, faster, more efficient ways of killing their fellow man. It is what we are best at.

 

 

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[Vagrant0]

 

 

Modern day scientists and psychiatrists consider homosexuality to be normal. We are also studying the behaviour in animals. It is very common in goats and we are now discovering and understanding the reasons why this happens in nature. :smile:

Homosexuality in animals is almost always an expression of pathology or extreme environmental turmoil.

 

Actually... not quite. Homosexuality in animals is fairly common and is usually an expression of dominance over other members of a social group, among those animals which form social groups where males do not outright kill eachother. It is also fairly common for males of all species to try and have sex with anything that does not kill them immediately. So, probably not saying much.

 

Also... We are talking about two entirely different things. Animals may form social connections, but they do not love in the same way that humans do. The emotional attachment between two humans is a far deeper matter than just the mechanics of intercourse or what anatomy goes where or who is on top.

[oOtailspinOo]

 

Modern day scientists and psychiatrists consider homosexuality to be normal. We are also studying the behaviour in animals. It is very common in goats and we are now discovering and understanding the reasons why this happens in nature. :smile:

Homosexuality in animals is almost always an expression of pathology or extreme environmental turmoil.

 

That view is not shared by modern day animal behaviourists.

Edited July 7, 2014 by oOtailspinOo

[oOtailspinOo]

 

 

Modern day scientists and psychiatrists consider homosexuality to be normal. We are also studying the behaviour in animals. It is very common in goats and we are now discovering and understanding the reasons why this happens in nature. :smile:

Homosexuality in animals is almost always an expression of pathology or extreme environmental turmoil.

 

Actually... not quite. Homosexuality in animals is fairly common and is usually an expression of dominance over other members of a social group, among those animals which form social groups where males do not outright kill each other. It is also fairly common for males of all species to try and have sex with anything that does not kill them immediately. So, probably not saying much.

 

Also... We are talking about two entirely different things. Animals may form social connections, but they do not love in the same way that humans do. The emotional attachment between two humans is a far deeper matter than just the mechanics of intercourse or what anatomy goes where or who is on top.

 

Nope. I don't want to come across as a contrarian here but your understanding of animal behaviour is dated. For example lets look at K9s. The old school of thought was that "humping" was meant to show dominance. However the modern day animal behaviourists and other professionals who specialize in K9 behaviour have proven through years of recorded observation that humping behaviour has nothing to with dominance and today it is considered normal "PLAY" behaviour. In goats, homosexual behaviour is VERY common. This behaviour has been observed with all the members of the herd regardless of their standing in the pecking order (hierarchy). That is how scientists and behaviourists figured out that we had it all wrong. They started observing the behaviour in many different animal groups without any aggression and regardless of hierarchy rank. The evidence by today's scientific standards is overwhelming. We are now recognizing this behaviour in apes and chimpanzees and it is also very prevalent in another monkey family which name escapes me now.

 

What scientists were confusing was play behaviour with an increase of play anxiety and an inappropriate expression of releasing that anxiety. Anxiety is an energy and animal and human brains can not decipher the difference between positive and negative anxiety. For example if you get pulled over by a police officer you then get nervous and your anxiety levels increase. But you can also be excited about going to a football game and your anxiety will also increase. But your brain doesn't know the difference. Anxiety is anxiety. It all comes down to appropriated ways of releasing it and inappropriate ways of releasing it. Anxiety is all the same same so when it builds up it then is released. Just like children playing in the school yard if they start to get a little wild there will soon be an argument or a fight. But these bubbles have little to do with dominance.

 

It is actually a very exciting time to be in animal sciences because they are actually re-writing the entire school of thought. With modern day recording cameras and now with drone technology we have unprecedented visual evidence of animal behaviour in the wild that previous scholars did not have access to. The old school of thought regarding animal (and human) behaviour as a whole has changed drastically in the last decade. Unless you are in university studying or working in these fields you are un- likely to know about the plethora of new scientific studies. But you will soon. I am sure in the next 5 years all sort of tv shows stations like Discovery and animal planet stations will make documentaries to inform the public.

Edited July 7, 2014 by oOtailspinOo

[Harbringe]

 

 

 

Modern day scientists and psychiatrists consider homosexuality to be normal. We are also studying the behaviour in animals. It is very common in goats and we are now discovering and understanding the reasons why this happens in nature. :smile:

Homosexuality in animals is almost always an expression of pathology or extreme environmental turmoil.

 

Actually... not quite. Homosexuality in animals is fairly common and is usually an expression of dominance over other members of a social group, among those animals which form social groups where males do not outright kill each other. It is also fairly common for males of all species to try and have sex with anything that does not kill them immediately. So, probably not saying much.

 

Also... We are talking about two entirely different things. Animals may form social connections, but they do not love in the same way that humans do. The emotional attachment between two humans is a far deeper matter than just the mechanics of intercourse or what anatomy goes where or who is on top.

 

Nope. I don't want to come across as a contrarian here but your understanding of animal behaviour is dated. For example lets look at K9s. The old school of thought was that "humping" was meant to show dominance. However the modern day animal behaviourists and other professionals who specialize in K9 behaviour have proven through years of recorded observation that humping behaviour has nothing to with dominance and today it is considered normal "PLAY" behaviour. In goats, homosexual behaviour is VERY common. This behaviour has been observed with all the members of the herd regardless of their standing in the pecking order (hierarchy). That is how scientists and behaviourists figured out that we had it all wrong. They started observing the behaviour in many different animal groups without any aggression and regardless of hierarchy rank. The evidence by today's scientific standards is overwhelming. We are now recognizing this behaviour in apes and chimpanzees and it is also very prevalent in another monkey family which name escapes me now.

 

Bonobo is the one I think your referring to. This group of monkey's is matriarchal and uses sex as a social control mechanism to prevent aggressive behaviour amongst the group , it has even been noted to take place on a male to male basis. Anxiety (though not the only one) seems to play a significant role in how this mechanism manifests itself within the group .