The_Reaper Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 So, by your definition you have no reason to believe we DON'T have souls.Right!Mind and soul are concepts, what's the difference between mind and soul?Well, for me mind is the colectivness of a person´s emotions and conscience, it´s what makes a person different from another, mind is where your thoughts exist.I think everyone believes thoughts exist...... don´t they? :mellow:Therefore, you shouldn't believe in the Big-Bang, Evolution, Creation, 2Pac's death ( ), or anything else that you haven't seen with your own eyes.I didn´t say I had to see it with my eyes, I said I had to have proof of it´s existence,I have proof of Tupac´s death, if I want i can go visit his grave, dig up his body and make some tests to see if its really him. I have no reason to believe or not believe the big bang because it hasn´t been proved yet, Evolution has been proved in may ways, Creation? What do you mean Creation?then I'm sorry to say that your a hippocrite...Thanks! That´s always nice to hear.I though we were here to dicuss one´s opinion about the topic..... I might be wrong :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idea assassin Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Evolution has been proved in may ways, Creation? What do you mean Creation?Evolution has been proven? So, it's the Law of Evolution now, instead of the Theory of Evolution? What part of evolution was proven, 100% beyond any shadow of a doubt? Well, for me mind is the colectivness of a person´s emotions and conscience, it´s what makes a person different from another, mind is where your thoughts exist.I think everyone believes thoughts exist...... don´t they?I don't know, have you ever seen a thought? Can you produce one for anybody else to see in a laboratory? All you know for a fact is, you have thoughts. But maybe you only exist in your own head and we're all imaginary. Can you prove thoughts are real? It seems to me, mind is a secular term and soul is a spiritual one. It all depends on your world view, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Reaper Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Evolution has been proven? So, it's the Law of Evolution now, instead of the Theory of Evolution? What part of evolution was proven, 100% beyond any shadow of a doubt?I didn´t say 100% beyond any shadow of doubt. But take the sea iguanas in the galapagos for example, they adapted to the new enviroment by developing bigger and better lungs for diving. I call that evolution. How about dolphins and whales they show signs that they walked the earth before moving to the oceans.Can you produce one for anybody else to see in a laboratory?YES! Someone can monitor my brain waves and notice the changes when i think of something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idea assassin Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 I didn´t say 100% beyond any shadow of doubt. But take the sea iguanas in the galapagos for example, they adapted to the new enviroment by developing bigger and better lungs for diving. I call that evolution. How about dolphins and whales they show signs that they walked the earth before moving to the oceans.Well, in an earlier post either in this topic or the universe one (they're starting to run together in my head...lol) I stated that I didn't necessary disbelieve evolution. I do disagree with the idea that God and evolution are mutually exclusive. I can see God using evolution as a tool in His creation. But, the main point of contention seems to be people unwilling to believe in God because there is no proof of His existence. But the same people are willing to believe in evolution, even though there is no real, solid proof of it either. I think there is room enough in this existence for all of it to be true. YES! Someone can monitor my brain waves and notice the changes when i think of something else.Yes, they can monitor your brain waves and notice changes. Now, prove those changes are thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Regarding a soul - I think we simply don't know enough about our brains yet to pinpoint precisely what causes the way we think, feel or experience. Hoever, I believe that as research into neuroscience continues we'll be able eventually to state for definite that what we consider our soul is infact such and such a neurotransmitter working on specific area of the brain in a specific way. Neurotheology has already shown a link between temporal lobe epilepsy and religious experience. Hormones have a definite influence on our personalities (don't ask :angry: ) I think our brains are so complex that we don't even begin to understand what is going on in there. What we have to go on is our sensory input - but again, who is to say that the same input will be evaluated the same way in different brains? It seems to me that through education, upbringing, genetic factors and possibly several other factors I forgot to mention our brain constructs a filter which it uses to evaluate the sensory input. So much so that under certain circumstances the brain even fills in for a lack of sensory input or corrects input which does not seem to fit - eg optical illusions, sensory deprivation etc. And that's why the same event will be interpreted differently by different people. I think this evaluation process creates a kind of matrix, a pattern, which influences our thoughts. The way we think then becomes our personality. So, is the mind a construct of the brain? Are soul/mind/personality aspects of the same thing? Or did we invent the concept of soul to claim for ourselves a 'divine' spark, something to make us believe that we are not, infact just a product of evolution? Something to distinguish us from animals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddGuy Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 I believe a person has a soul, a mind, and a body. Your soul is the part of you that defines who you are, what you do, what you love, what you hate. Your ind makes decisions, and you body carries around your soul and mind. Your soul is what passes on to your next identity after you die. (i believe in reincarnation) And, no, I'm not scared of death. That's not why I believe in reincarnation, or a soul. I believe in my soul, my identity, because it's what i believe in. Plus, it's fun to debate. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeLLL Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Your soul is the little voice that corrects your mind <or offers to show you both sides of the coin> before you do something As far as I'm aware, thats called the conscience ;) Thats correct. But what drives your conscience?? Your soul. Your mind tells you one thing yet your conscience tells you another. <Use your heart not your head> :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albareth Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Actually, that would be your mind too. The concience and sub-concious mind may not always agree. "follow your heart not your mind" is imo just telling you to follow your emotions and not decide soly on logic. Emotions are based in your brain, whether physical pain that your mind makes you feel to alert you of an injury or yes, even love, it's all in your mind. Why do you think people who suffer sudden braindamage have been known to totally "convert" on their opinions on issues, who they love, like, how they act? It's all in your brain, your whole "being" is the individuality and uniqueness of your brain. It's another issue entirely whether or not a portion of our brain equals what you call "a soul", but in some non-physical awareness, I'd have to say I see no possible reason for its existance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeLLL Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Fair point. :) To some extent I must agree with you. In the case of some brain damaged people totally changing their feelings/thoughts on things/people/events etc can also be put down to the fact that they may of suffered memory loss so they may "forget" certain things. When the body/mind are damaged so is the soul. For me above all my soul is what conects me to my beliefs.<Hence why my I think my conciense is my soul speaking> When I "turn off" my mind I can understand things alot better <when i meditate for example>. Instead of my mind questioning it and ripping the thought into shreds I seem to accept it alot more easily and can see it from a whole different perspictive thus embrace the thought. The reason is <well IMO> is that I have dulled the mind and my belifs are interacting directly with my soul/heart instead of my mind interferring B) . <It may seem a bit "hippee stylez" but I can asure you I AM NOT A HIPPEE NOR AM I ON ANY DRUGS (or ever have been.) :lol: Drugs are bad mmkay. ;) > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltiraaz Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Your mind consists of Logic Your soul consists of Emotion (love, hate, etc.) Your body consist of Physical feeling (touch, smell, sight, etc / pain, you get the idea) IMO anyway.... B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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