nivea Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 So users can "donate" to modders but they cannot offer money to create a mod?i believe the answer is as simple as the fact that they are not making money. this isnt a job and they are not expecting any money out of it. if someone likes the modders work enough and thinks "hmm i want to see this guy make more stuff, i'lll just give him/her a few bucks to help them deal with personal things so they can spend more time modding." than i dont see what's wrong with that. where as working for money is against the rules and promising a donation is the same as paying for work to be done. Either way, I was surprised that donations are even allowed to begin with, its like opening Pandora's Box and who knows how it will evolve since neither the moderators here nor Bethesda can verify anything because they have no access to bank accounts. they are not making money. this isnt a jobYou really think that those popular mods with 10+k endorsements that allow for donations are not making money? I agree that is isn't a job but donations are only here for one purpose...to make money, and the better and more popular your mod is the more money you will make.If you make really good mods you might as well call modding your job and you can expect that this is what the modding community will turn into if things like donations are becoming the norm.And instead of a community that is modding for fun and shares their knowledge with each other, the community will slowly turn into a competitive and asocial "thing" that keeps things a secret from each other... Imo they should just ban donations all together(or any other form of monetary transferal regarding modding), it just doesn't make any sense and goes against everything that an open modding community stands for since it only promotes modders to stop sharing their knowledge and assets with the rest. Money corrupts everything and these donations are just the first step. Your joking right, I know for a FACT those of us with 10+k are NOT making money. I have made maybe 20$ USA the entire time I have been on Nexus, I know for a fact I am a lucky one and many modders make nothing at all. Making money... please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorKaizeld Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Your joking right, I know for a FACT those of us with 10+k are NOT making money. I have made maybe 20$ USA the entire time I have been on Nexus, I know for a fact I am a lucky one and many modders make nothing at all. Making money... please.same here, the most i know any modder has made modding has been 200 some odd dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted31005User Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Fixing deleted navmeshes shouldn't be too difficultNavmeshes in the exterior are quite difficult, you need to put back the original navmeshes and drop that entire original layer down below the map and at this point you will have 2 layers of navmeshes.Navmeshes for interiors are childs play compared to exterior. I have made maybe 20$I guess I'll have to take your word for it.But since I seem to have hit a nerve for some reason, care to explain why you allow people to donate to you to begin with, what is the whole purpose behind it if not to gain some monetary support?Like I said before, allowing donations is a slippery slope that can only turn badly as time progresses and imo anything money related (however small) should have no business in modding. Its because of donations that people now think they can throw money at modders to create a mod for them, as I have experienced at least 3 times now since I began modding and one of those occasions could have almost been considered "job worthy" with decent hourly pay, though I did not accept any of them since I mod for my own pleasure and not for someone else. Edited January 5, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalVixen Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Fixing deleted navmeshes shouldn't be too difficultNavmeshes in the exterior are quite difficult, you need to put back the original navmeshes and drop that entire original layer down below the map and at this point you will have 2 layers of navmeshes.Navmeshes for interiors are childs play compared to exterior. Yes, which really isn't that difficult... If you know how. Everything is easy once you know it, if you know what I mean. :smile: What's difficult about it, even when you know the technical part of it, is knowing _which_ navmeshes to drop and which you should restore because they were erroneously deleted - if any was, that is. I recently cleaned up one mod that had 1458 deleted navmeshes... :sad: EDIT: typos. Edited January 5, 2015 by DigitalVixen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorKaizeld Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 to be honest even without donations people think mods are made the same way as Deviant art and those many other anime art sites do things. even Fanfictions sister site Fictionpress (and to a much lesser extent Fanfiction it's self) have issues with people hiring others to make stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattiewagg Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Either way, I was surprised that donations are even allowed to begin with, its like opening Pandora's Box and who knows how it will evolve since neither the moderators here nor Bethesda can verify anything because they have no access to bank accounts. they are not making money. this isnt a jobYou really think that those popular mods with 10+k endorsements that allow for donations are not making money? I agree that is isn't a job but donations are only here for one purpose...to make money, and the better and more popular your mod is the more money you will make.If you make really good mods you might as well call modding your job and you can expect that this is what the modding community will turn into if things like donations are becoming the norm.And instead of a community that is modding for fun and shares their knowledge with each other, the community will slowly turn into a competitive and asocial "thing" that keeps things a secret from each other... Imo they should just ban donations all together(or any other form of monetary transferal regarding modding), it just doesn't make any sense and goes against everything that an open modding community stands for since it only promotes modders to stop sharing their knowledge and assets with the rest. Money corrupts everything and these donations are just the first step.I know people who have crazy endorsed mods. Most make 20$, or more likely none at all. One guy got about 1,000 dollars. That's a lot, yeah. A job? Hell no. Edited January 5, 2015 by Matthiaswagg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorKaizeld Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 One guy got about 1,000 dollars. That's a lot, yeah. A job? Hell no.seriously! wow he got a bit lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nivea Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Your joking right, I know for a FACT those of us with 10+k are NOT making money. I have made maybe 20$ USA the entire time I have been on Nexus, I know for a fact I am a lucky one and many modders make nothing at all. Making money... please.same here, the most i know any modder has made modding has been 200 some odd dollars. Fixing deleted navmeshes shouldn't be too difficultNavmeshes in the exterior are quite difficult, you need to put back the original navmeshes and drop that entire original layer down below the map and at this point you will have 2 layers of navmeshes.Navmeshes for interiors are childs play compared to exterior. I have made maybe 20$I guess I'll have to take your word for it.But since I seem to have hit a nerve for some reason, care to explain why you allow people to donate to you to begin with, what is the whole purpose behind it if not to gain some monetary support?Like I said before, allowing donations is a slippery slope that can only turn badly as time progresses and imo anything money related (however small) should have no business in modding. Its because of donations that people now think they can throw money at modders to create a mod for them, as I have experienced at least 3 times now since I began modding and one of those occasions could have almost been considered "job worthy" with decent hourly pay, though I did not accept any of them since I mod for my own pleasure and not for someone else. I do not see the point of me personally lying about what I make from modding which is almost nothing, I did not have donations up for a long time but then I lost any income I had and decided if people wanted to help fund my modding then they can. I am personally just happy with thank yous in my thread, but I am not a wealthy person and I do not turn away money when I spend the extra effort to keep my mods updated and supported for many years. I used the money to buy games and mod for them, I spent all the money I got on Skyrim DLC so I could make my mod fully compatible with them I have not even played through one all the way as of yet it was just to keep my mod up to date and bug free. I am without a job right now and at the time (prolly not even now really) I was not able to buy ANY of the Skyrim DLC so what little money I get goes towards things like that, stuff for modding. If I get money and do not have a game to put the money towards for modding I would put it towards programs that I would use for modding, the non-free kind as I do not have the kind of money some people seem to have to buy 3DMax or Zbrush.I see no issue with putting the money I get from modding towards modding, sure if people could make hundreds of dollars a month and quite their jobs and just mod for profit I would see the issue. But thats literally not the case on Nexus and for the games Nexus supports anyone saying other wise is pretty much full of it. Now games like Second life where it IS a job then yes I can see why people would be making enough money to make that a full time job, there ARE games out there where you can make a profit and it is a full time job. Modding for Skyrim/Fallout/Oblivion/Morrowind/Dragon age no its not possible. If you are super super super lucky you might get hired by a company if your mod interests them for future game projects, I think that is pretty cool and has nothing to do with donations. Hope I do not sound like I am angry (it can get lost in translation on the net, I am really not just interested) or anything, I am actually just interested in if this is what most people think that modders make thousands of dollars all the time and that is why they make demands of modders? Because we make so much money that we should treat it like a job and do things the users way? Edited January 5, 2015 by nivea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTek Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 Am I allowed to "ask" for someone to fix another authors mod? Or is that frowned on?not without permission from the author I've emailed him about taking over the mod (I used to help him with it) So hopefully he will let me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorKaizeld Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I've emailed him about taking over the mod (I used to help him with it) So hopefully he will let me.neat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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