Killing Mr House option way too radical?

[Madae]

I finished this the other night. I was working for House initially and wanted to go through the quests with him, but I ran into a bug where I did the Boomer quest for the NCR and it bugged the quest line for House who would have had me do the same thing, and when I got to that point, he would no longer talk to me, like the scripting had been screwed up. I couldn't figure out how to fix this either and I was kind of upset, so I just went through the rest of the game quickly with Yes Man.

 

Except for the part where it bugged, I liked my ending. I got to choose who lived or died, and for the most part I let everyone live. I did the Dam for myself with the robots and had both the Legion and the NCR retreat from the region without a fight (I convinced both the Legion and NCR general's to go away or face the consequences). In the end, I came out on top and everyone did alright by me.

 

This next playthrough I'll probably do it the way I initially wanted to do it; with House. After that, I'll probably go with the Legion. As much as I like the people in NCR, their political crap higher up the chain rubbed me the wrong way - I guess I'm an anarchist at heart (or just plain evil).

 

I felt kind of bad killing House, too. Sure, he did get me into it from the beginning, except he had no way of knowing Benny would do what he did, so you can't blame House for getting shot. He also seemed fairly reasonable to me, a bit closed-minded for sure, but I would definitely say he was neutral towards most affairs rather than good or evil. And it is *his* city, after all. Except for the ghoul cowgirl and maybe a few others, he had been there longer than anyone and brought the place to life. I'm all for doing things his way - he keeps the place safe and secure, and lets trade flourish. As far as I'm concerned, everyone else are the welcome/unwelcome guests (Legion, NCR, Khans, Kings, Families, etc).

[Zephyr2011]

I feel like the "Yes Man" approach was waaaaaaaaay too limited and also killing house (weather through disease or bullet to the brain) was just plain stupid. You hold his life in your hands after all. If you can make it to his antechamber then clearly no matter how many bots he throws at you you're gonna be able to pull the plug anyime you want so you should be able to coerce him into giving you what you want while still p[ursuing his own goals, it should be a mutually beneficial relationship once you bring him into the light: You advise him on all the dealings with the people of the wasteland while he gets the economy booming and industry rocking and rolling. Additionally if you hold his life in your hands you should be able to force him to keep your pals around. My ideal ending would be that the obnoxious spies for the legion and NCR can't find EVERYTHING (and I mean every single little thing) out that you do and stop working with you so you could be like the omni-agent getting on everyone's goodside then you send the legion to attack the dam with the crappiest battle formation ever and Oliver with his full on frontal counter-attack bull s*** so both sides only win due to numbers and tech leaving both reeeeeeeall short-handed, during this battle the boomers bombard the living hell out of them both without destroying the dam. During all this chaos the securitrons at The Fort pour out of the weather station and clean up any Legion mess left quickly enough that no intel gets to little Mr. Legate and he can turn around and try to kill you. All the while you open the floodgates in the sewers of Noth Vegas for the BoS to get close to the strip so they rush in and slaughter the rest of the NCR troopers (of course this BoS backup is all pre-arranged by myself and Mr. House) then the tech-gurus can run around with securitron helpers (like the sentry bots from FO3 that they had) to finish off NCR forces, NOT citizens, they are the paying customers. This brilliant show of force would scare the living crap out of the NCR however the mercy payed towards citizens outta just give them the message that "Hey, don't mess. Buy somethin' or get out but don't try and f*** with us." If the BoS at larg disagrees with getting soveriegnty over a new solar plant (ie: HELIOS one) and any spare tech that myself and my good buddy Mr. House don't call dibs on then they can stuff it up their asses when we have full power from the dam and can churn out more securitrons than you can shake a stick at. In this way I'd have the greatest improvement to New Vegas (Mr. House and his smancy tech) guarded by the greatest army (securitrons mk II + BoS) and with the greatest personal gain (perhaps running a new casino or opening the Lucky 38 then getting to run it and my freedom about the wastes) yet I'm not a complete a**hole. The people of New Vegas definitely get an economic boost (I kinda like the slummy atmosphere though I'd miss it) and better fed. The Khans can keep red rock canyon so long as they aren't little bitches and try to muck up with the natural order. Railroad works again, traderoutes-with my much larger army than the NCRs-get protected now and thus trade is more profitable and can now be much more taxable than before. Course this is my perfect ending which in order for it to not seem linear as all get out would take the game developers many many many more years to create enough options for this to be possible (with all the quest additions that would be encompassed in this) so I recognize it as an unrealistic dream.

[zerrodefex]

I felt kind of bad killing House, too. Sure, he did get me into it from the beginning, except he had no way of knowing Benny would do what he did, so you can't blame House for getting shot.

 

Plus he did have Victor rescue you. He could very well just have left you to rot in that grave.

[LadyMilla]

I felt kind of bad killing House, too. Sure, he did get me into it from the beginning, except he had no way of knowing Benny would do what he did, so you can't blame House for getting shot.

 

Plus he did have Victor rescue you. He could very well just have left you to rot in that grave.

 

You know there is the parable of a little bird flying south. Let me tell you another version of that story:

 

There was this little bird who chose to pick grains from a heap of dung near a browsing cow. The bird was happily feeding when the cow decided to relieve its bowels, and the bird was buried under a fresh pile of dung. It began to fidget and chirp in an attempt to free itself when a cat that was wandering about heard the desperate chirping, dragged out the bird, cleaned it up carefully with its paws and then swallowed it in one gulp.

 

The morals of this story:

1. those who take a dump on you may not necessarily bear a personal grudge against you.

2. if you were dumped on, shut up, climb out and clean yourself up silently.

3 if somebody else pulls you out and cleans you up, it does not mean that they are your friend.

 

In the Courier's case, Victor may have been helping him or her, but for me it is evident that the only motive behind Victor's actions was to ensure that the Platinum Chip would get to Mr. House in one way or another: either because you would have your revenge and pry it from the dead hands of whoever shot you, or because you would draw out the culprit as it was likely that the guy who popped a cap into your pretty skull would want to finish what he started (leave no witness behind). In short, House used the Courier as a bait.

 

As to killing Mr. House or siding with him... I'm not too fond of megalomaniacs who want to impose their own world order on everyone, and remove any people who dare to disagree with them. These 'I know better what is good for you' type of men caused enough trouble throughout history.

[Liquidacid23]

I killed him just because he kept trying to boss me around.. I don't take no crap from a man who looks like a piece of beef jerky!

[Madae]

I felt kind of bad killing House, too. Sure, he did get me into it from the beginning, except he had no way of knowing Benny would do what he did, so you can't blame House for getting shot.

 

Plus he did have Victor rescue you. He could very well just have left you to rot in that grave.

 

You know there is the parable of a little bird flying south. Let me tell you another version of that story:

 

There was this little bird who chose to pick grains from a heap of dung near a browsing cow. The bird was happily feeding when the cow decided to relieve its bowels, and the bird was buried under a fresh pile of dung. It began to fidget and chirp in an attempt to free itself when a cat that was wandering about heard the desperate chirping, dragged out the bird, cleaned it up carefully with its paws and then swallowed it in one gulp.

 

The morals of this story:

1. those who take a dump on you may not necessarily bear a personal grudge against you.

2. if you were dumped on, shut up, climb out and clean yourself up silently.

3 if somebody else pulls you out and cleans you up, it does not mean that they are your friend.

 

In the Courier's case, Victor may have been helping him or her, but for me it is evident that the only motive behind Victor's actions was to ensure that the Platinum Chip would get to Mr. House in one way or another: either because you would have your revenge and pry it from the dead hands of whoever shot you, or because you would draw out the culprit as it was likely that the guy who popped a cap into your pretty skull would want to finish what he started (leave no witness behind). In short, House used the Courier as a bait.

 

As to killing Mr. House or siding with him... I'm not too fond of megalomaniacs who want to impose their own world order on everyone, and remove any people who dare to disagree with them. These 'I know better what is good for you' type of men caused enough trouble throughout history.

 

Your character doesn't have a history before this, or it's not told at least. You could very well assume that the person you're playing was a reliable courier and always got the job done, among other things. Not to mention that you learn in Primm that you were picked specifically for the task as the previous courier dropped out. You could also assume that House knew you would be a valuable replacement to Benny with regards to your previous, and unknown, history. I believe House said he did not see Benny's betrayal coming, as he was molding him to be his successor. House needed a new person, and you're pretty much it. You have no history, no affiliation, and nothing to lose - that's the perfect person to groom.

[zerrodefex]

I felt kind of bad killing House, too. Sure, he did get me into it from the beginning, except he had no way of knowing Benny would do what he did, so you can't blame House for getting shot.

 

Plus he did have Victor rescue you. He could very well just have left you to rot in that grave.

 

You know there is the parable of a little bird flying south. Let me tell you another version of that story:

 

There was this little bird who chose to pick grains from a heap of dung near a browsing cow. The bird was happily feeding when the cow decided to relieve its bowels, and the bird was buried under a fresh pile of dung. It began to fidget and chirp in an attempt to free itself when a cat that was wandering about heard the desperate chirping, dragged out the bird, cleaned it up carefully with its paws and then swallowed it in one gulp.

 

The morals of this story:

1. those who take a dump on you may not necessarily bear a personal grudge against you.

2. if you were dumped on, shut up, climb out and clean yourself up silently.

3 if somebody else pulls you out and cleans you up, it does not mean that they are your friend.

 

In the Courier's case, Victor may have been helping him or her, but for me it is evident that the only motive behind Victor's actions was to ensure that the Platinum Chip would get to Mr. House in one way or another: either because you would have your revenge and pry it from the dead hands of whoever shot you, or because you would draw out the culprit as it was likely that the guy who popped a cap into your pretty skull would want to finish what he started (leave no witness behind). In short, House used the Courier as a bait.

 

As to killing Mr. House or siding with him... I'm not too fond of megalomaniacs who want to impose their own world order on everyone, and remove any people who dare to disagree with them. These 'I know better what is good for you' type of men caused enough trouble throughout history.

 

Your character doesn't have a history before this, or it's not told at least. You could very well assume that the person you're playing was a reliable courier and always got the job done, among other things. Not to mention that you learn in Primm that you were picked specifically for the task as the previous courier dropped out. You could also assume that House knew you would be a valuable replacement to Benny with regards to your previous, and unknown, history. I believe House said he did not see Benny's betrayal coming, as he was molding him to be his successor. House needed a new person, and you're pretty much it. You have no history, no affiliation, and nothing to lose - that's the perfect person to groom.

 

Yet I still ended up betraying him, if only because I'd rather reign in Hell. Plus what guarantee do you have that House won't kill you off once he's got his upgraded army and made Vegas independent? He can always get a new person to sell that protege story to when he's no longer so pressed for time.

[LadyMilla]

Plus what guarantee do you have that House won't kill you off once he's got his upgraded army and made Vegas independent? He can always get a new person to sell that protege story to when he's no longer so pressed for time.

 

Very true.

 

Mr. House's actions profoundly contradict his alleged benevolent intentions. He runs the show with three tribes that are little better than domesticated savages: thugs, cannibals, drug dealers. People in the Freeside district see little or no benefit of his lordship over New Vegas. As a matter of fact, the local gang - the Kings who were pushed out from the Stip - has done more for them than Mr. House. The Kings restored water supply, kept the local thugs at bay, the Followers of the Apocalypse provide medical care, while Mr. House grows rich and builds his power as a parasite living off on people who pursue the false dream of hitting the jackpot. I think the contrast between the King and Mr. House is not just striking, but it is intentional. The King lives among the poor and the suffering, he knows their needs and the problems, and tries to solve them NOW. Mr. House lives in an ivory tower, manipulates people to bend them to his will while he strives to realize his vision. And what is his vision? Space travel so people can build colony ships and find a habitable planet. He is such a technology-centered geek that even his great dream of saving humanity revolves around a technological breakthrough, and I bet he is more interested in the how than in the final objective. He ignores the fact that the planet is slowly recovering, lands are cultivated, and there is an organized government - the NCR - based on well-founded rights and liberties (even if the implementation is lacking, and the state become a bureaucratic juggernaut). No, his elitist mind seems to ignore anything that has little or no use to him and for his great plan. And who would travel to the stars in those spaceships? Who would pick the worthy and what would be the eligibility criteria? Considering that his brother was a paranoid lunatic, I think leaving New Vegas under his rule is not a preferable option.

[Madae]

I felt kind of bad killing House, too. Sure, he did get me into it from the beginning, except he had no way of knowing Benny would do what he did, so you can't blame House for getting shot.

 

Plus he did have Victor rescue you. He could very well just have left you to rot in that grave.

 

You know there is the parable of a little bird flying south. Let me tell you another version of that story:

 

There was this little bird who chose to pick grains from a heap of dung near a browsing cow. The bird was happily feeding when the cow decided to relieve its bowels, and the bird was buried under a fresh pile of dung. It began to fidget and chirp in an attempt to free itself when a cat that was wandering about heard the desperate chirping, dragged out the bird, cleaned it up carefully with its paws and then swallowed it in one gulp.

 

The morals of this story:

1. those who take a dump on you may not necessarily bear a personal grudge against you.

2. if you were dumped on, shut up, climb out and clean yourself up silently.

3 if somebody else pulls you out and cleans you up, it does not mean that they are your friend.

 

In the Courier's case, Victor may have been helping him or her, but for me it is evident that the only motive behind Victor's actions was to ensure that the Platinum Chip would get to Mr. House in one way or another: either because you would have your revenge and pry it from the dead hands of whoever shot you, or because you would draw out the culprit as it was likely that the guy who popped a cap into your pretty skull would want to finish what he started (leave no witness behind). In short, House used the Courier as a bait.

 

As to killing Mr. House or siding with him... I'm not too fond of megalomaniacs who want to impose their own world order on everyone, and remove any people who dare to disagree with them. These 'I know better what is good for you' type of men caused enough trouble throughout history.

 

Your character doesn't have a history before this, or it's not told at least. You could very well assume that the person you're playing was a reliable courier and always got the job done, among other things. Not to mention that you learn in Primm that you were picked specifically for the task as the previous courier dropped out. You could also assume that House knew you would be a valuable replacement to Benny with regards to your previous, and unknown, history. I believe House said he did not see Benny's betrayal coming, as he was molding him to be his successor. House needed a new person, and you're pretty much it. You have no history, no affiliation, and nothing to lose - that's the perfect person to groom.

 

Yet I still ended up betraying him, if only because I'd rather reign in Hell. Plus what guarantee do you have that House won't kill you off once he's got his upgraded army and made Vegas independent? He can always get a new person to sell that protege story to when he's no longer so pressed for time.

 

What guarantee do you have that he will kill you? I guess we can assume whatever since we'll never know, but you're fumbling around with that possibility when it could easily go the other way just as well.

[LadyMilla]

What guarantee do you have that he will kill you? I guess we can assume whatever since we'll never know, but you're fumbling around with that possibility when it could easily go the other way just as well.

 

I don't know about you, but I would not trust a being whose favorite snow-globe is the one with the nuclear mushroom cloud and the happily grinning guy with the detonator. :laugh: