What happened to the community patch?

[Kazakovich]

"So, are there any decent modding communities out there without such dumb policies and butthurt modders?

After reading this thread, I feel too dirty for getting some mods from this site. :sick: "

 

No, not to my knowledge. Quite possibly for the same reason people don't come round your house and drop off presents. You see, modders aren't nameless computer-people who exist to provide the community with mods. They're real people. This might sound like a painfully obvious remark, but think about it. God knows a lot of people out on the great internetz don't.

 

You see, making a mod is often a lot more work than it might appear, especially when making it available to others on a site like this. Even more so when you put a lot of care into it. I think a tiny bit of gratitude is a reasonable exchange for this. Once more, those that have made the mods, every single one of them which is quite staggering when you reflect on it, are all real people. Everyone have put (admittedly varying amounts) effort into it. Telling them 'Hey, nice mod! Thx!' and having a modicum of respect for their work won't kill you or anyone else.

[durklives]

i will agree to be civil of you agree to do a bit more research on Jefferson, his ideals, and his contributions to our current copyright laws, because really, his ideals and the meanings of his words do not really apply in the sense that you (and many others) mistakenly believe they do.

 

I never called you greedy or selfish, I think credit should be given where credit is due. However, why is it that there is no attempt to facilitate a dialog between the creators and the maintainer?

 

sure, you never called me (or other modders) selfish or greedy per se, but by calling The Nexus out on their cooperation with people who contest uploads because they feel that their works have been infringed upon, you implied it, specifically through your use of Jefferson's points on patents. (once again, do some more research.)

 

you assume there is no dialogue going on between the uploader, The Nexus, and the author who has contested the upload. any such dialog is conducted in private and really is between them and is not privy to the public. it shouldn't be. its really none of our business. if there is no dialogue going on, i would assume the uploader of the patch cannot smooth the issue over with the guy and he will just remove the offending content and re-release, or find someone else willing to provide a substitute. as unfortunate as this situation is, its obvious the uploader went to great lengths to provide an accurate listing of credits, and while i would find it hard to believe any fellow modder would be so callous as to continue to disallow the use of the mod once proper credit is given (if true ownership is confirmed that is), its not my call.

 

And for that matter, if you edit a few values in GECK, who is to say that you are the "owner" of those edits? Was there any actual content creation at the heart of the matter?

 

of course not. anything you do with The GECK is owned by Bethesda. but Bethesda didn't make the mod, "insert name here" made the mod and certainly should be credited for it. if the edits are that simple, your more than welcome to get into The GECK yourself, make all the same edits that are found in the community patch, use it, and re-release upload your work with your name on it.

 

Sorry, but all research I am seeing on Jefferson and exclusive right/copyright indicates that Jefferson was opposed to the exclusive right of a person to a creation for his own selfishness, and that the benefit of new ideas and inventions belongs more to society than it does a single man. You will also note in the constitution that created copyright, even while acknowledging that potentially there could be many negative effects associated with this, for the advancement of science and art for the benefit of all, not just a single inventor or creator.

 

Look man, I wouldn't mind if you actually did want to talk more about Jefferson and copyright, but if you're going to say "do more research, do more research" you should really know better than to not give any leads. Searching on the internet for "research" can lead to various types of information on a subject, not always something that backs up your side. If you don't _want_ to give any sources for your claims, that is fine also, I will be more than willing to accept your concession.

[gsmanners]

Yeah, Jefferson's a fine one to quote about intellectual slavery, considering all the real slavery he engaged in.

[durklives]

Yeah, Jefferson's a fine one to quote about intellectual slavery, considering all the real slavery he engaged in.

 

That's a pretty good troll, but unfortunately does not refute the points he made.

[gsmanners]

I'm afraid you're the troll in this case, considering you cannot dispute my factual statement. And I repeat, Jefferson was a damn hypocrite. People who quote him should be aware of that and know that they will justly be called the same if they insist on his type of rationalizations.

 

Back on topic:

 

Thanks - will go in the next patch. Just waiting on a few more permissions. Does definitely slow things down a lot. I've spent a great deal more time doing this permission thing than I wanted to, so I would like to ask a favour of everyone using or potentially contributing to the patch:

 

If you see a fix mod which has just been released on the nexus, before suggesting it, ask in the comment thread if they would mind it being used in the community patch. In that way, I can just check the thread quickly.

 

If you make a fix mod, I would really appreciate it if you state in the description that you will allow it to be used in the community patch. Additionally/alternatively, if you wish it to be included, please suggest it in the community patch compilation thread. This will make the whole process a lot less tedious for me. Permissions are ok if you have to ask a few people on a single occasion, but if every time you make a release you have to contact and wait for response from several people, it gets very wearing.

 

The above is from: http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1134249-relz-community-bug-fix-compilation-patch/page__st__140__p__16656131entry16656131

[dieangel68]

Am i the only one who doesn't quite grasp what the constitution and Thomas Jefferson have to do with the courtesy rules of a modding site toward it's contributors?

 

Nobody is selling anything, nobody is preventing anyone to use anything posted on the site, and no one prevent you to merge other people's work for your own enjoyment.

 

The only rule i see debated here is that TheNexus doesn't allow you to reupload someone else's work and pass it as your own, OR reupload someone else's work without permission.

[ShooterAndy]

Am i the only one who doesn't quite grasp what the constitution and Thomas Jefferson have to do with the courtesy rules of a modding site toward it's contributors?

Yes! That's because you're a racist! And a communist! That's what Abraham Lincoln said about you.

 

Seriously, guys, that's a temporary minor inconvinience, not an uprise of 1984-esque totalitarian regime.

[durklives]

I'm afraid you're the troll in this case, considering you cannot dispute my factual statement. And I repeat, Jefferson was a damn hypocrite. People who quote him should be aware of that and know that they will justly be called the same if they insist on his type of rationalizations.

 

Back on topic:

 

Thanks - will go in the next patch. Just waiting on a few more permissions. Does definitely slow things down a lot. I've spent a great deal more time doing this permission thing than I wanted to, so I would like to ask a favour of everyone using or potentially contributing to the patch:

 

If you see a fix mod which has just been released on the nexus, before suggesting it, ask in the comment thread if they would mind it being used in the community patch. In that way, I can just check the thread quickly.

 

If you make a fix mod, I would really appreciate it if you state in the description that you will allow it to be used in the community patch. Additionally/alternatively, if you wish it to be included, please suggest it in the community patch compilation thread. This will make the whole process a lot less tedious for me. Permissions are ok if you have to ask a few people on a single occasion, but if every time you make a release you have to contact and wait for response from several people, it gets very wearing.

 

The above is from: http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1134249-relz-community-bug-fix-compilation-patch/page__st__140__p__16656131entry16656131

 

I am not disputing your factual statement that Jefferson owned slaves, but I have refuted your inferrence that because he owned slaves his statements about exclusive right are invalid. His statement about exclusive right have nothing to do with him owning slaves. Further, him being a hypocrite does not make his statements on exclusive right invalid. Owning slaves is wrong, not his opinion about exclusive right. Check your premises.

[durklives]

Am i the only one who doesn't quite grasp what the constitution and Thomas Jefferson have to do with the courtesy rules of a modding site toward it's contributors?

 

Nobody is selling anything, nobody is preventing anyone to use anything posted on the site, and no one prevent you to merge other people's work for your own enjoyment.

 

The only rule i see debated here is that TheNexus doesn't allow you to reupload someone else's work and pass it as your own, OR reupload someone else's work without permission.

 

I am just saying just because you go into GECK and change a few numbers you don't own those numbers, others would beg to differ.

[FutureVisions]

I have to agree with DieAngel68.

Copyright laws, Washington's views on intellectual property and the constitution have nothing to do with this situation because no actual laws are being broken here. The only laws that apply in this case are, therefore, the ones defined by this site's author's. And those are clearly stated on several ocasions.

Every person here has to agree to the site's rules upon joining the community. So when you join, you agree (among other things) that "you will not copy and upload others modders works without their permission, and even more, when you upload a mod to this site, you have to agree to these terms yet again. Infringement of these rules is the uploaders own responsability while fully aware of these same rules.

Rules with wich i personally agree.

 

While some can get home from work or school and have a nice evening playing, modders spend hours modding and helping people to get the mods to work for them. This takes for many modders, more time than they actually spend playing (I for one, didn't even finish playing FO3). Just to provide themselves and the community with a better experience of the game. And FOR FREE! So I doubt anyone has a problem with sharing their work here.

But for the reasons stated above, modders deserve, if not recognition for their contribution, at least the respect of being asked for permission to use it.

 

The site's rules about this subject are intended to promote the creativity of the comunity and to incentivate people to have new ideas and make new mods but apparently some people would rather see it as a place for fast and easy consumption.