WarKirby3333 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Recently I found this page, detailing the 14 points that define fascism, and how the bush administration satifies each of them. It corroborates all its points with articles from hundreds of different sources, and I fail to find fault with most of it's arguments. I would like to draw special attention to the article entitled: Rolling Stone does some investigative and rather exhaustive digging into public documents and says we’re almost guaranteed the 2004 election results were massively rigged I would like to find out how aware people are of this, and what they think. I am not an American, but America is so big now that it affects the whole world, and it is everyody's business. WarKirby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxist ßastard Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 The neoconservatives aren't fascists. Fascists would make the trains run on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cactoblasta Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 As a citizen of Great Britain you should probably be more concerned about fascism in your own country. The degree to which citizens are watched is astounding. Practically every public area in your entire country is under constant surveillance. And MB's right. Fascists are efficient. You can accuse the Americans of many things but efficiency isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 The beauty of the US electoral process is that it is impossible to really know how people voted. Sure, it probably was rigged, but that doesn't change the fact that the democratic party was a total mess at the time. The best they could come up with were Dean and Kerry, neither of them would be capable of doing the job. Yeah, Bush may just be an idiot, but that's exactly what was needed in the whitehouse. The president isn't some great mastermind who decides everything in the country, he is a figure head. He makes speaches, signs papers, and takes the blame for everything that goes wrong. Bill Clinton wasn't in charge, Bush Sr. wasn't in charge, Reagan certainly wasn't in charge. It makes sense to do things this way because the average U.S. citizen is uneducated, and incapable of making an intelligent decision about even their own lives. How could you trust them to decide the fate of the country? I could go on, but don't want to spoil things for you. Anyway, the election is done and overwith two years ago, move on and accept things as they are. If it's any consolation, the 2008 election will probably be "fixed" too, but Bush probably won't be running. One less thing to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercbird Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Ha ha, I always love how americans come up with conspiracy theories, makes me feel better about the fact that every night for the past two months I have been up at the slightest sound checking the windows because every third night I find someone in our yard and at three in the morning he is not looking for work or food. That we all sleep (my husband, brother and two of his friends) with some blunt instrument under our beds, that we have a practised routine, a plan of action if you will, for dealing with burglaries. That the people doing this are hungry and desperate made so by a system of my parents creation, only makes me cry if its daylight. That an ex political bigwig can call it a travesty of justice if he is convicted of fraud and corruption and have ministers of parliament escort him heroically to jail. That the ex vice-president (was fired after his financial adviser and friend was convicted of fraud and corruption implicating him, he's still awaiting trial for that) thinks that he is a suitable candidate for presidency after being accused but found not guilty of rape, of an HIV positive AIDS activist who is his other friends daughter. He didnt use a condom but took a shower afterwards, and he sure he's alright. He was at the head of the moral revival campaign, but told us that according to his Zulu culture, a man cannot let a woman go to sleep unsatisfied if he can see that she really 'wants' it. Yeah I 'wanted' it too which is why I was raped at twenty.Which is surely more than you needed to know, was a bad night, someone tried to poison my dog. And we don't rig elections here we can simply have the ruling party, who lost a city change the structure of that city to replace the elected mayor of the opposition party with a comittee of their own making, after they couldn't even get control of said city after the 'crossing over' period has passed. Oh this is when the representative of the party you voted for has a chance to take your vote to whatever party offers him the most, usually the ruling party with taxpayer money, always nice to have a goverment job with perks and bribes. Certainly no election rigging here. No Facism either. Its pollitically(whahaha) incorrect. Which is worse than morally (whahaahaa) objectionable here. But our trains certainly don't run on time, they get burnt. I wouldn't use one if I could still walk. http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/articles/arti...x?ID=ST6A210366 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Yep, I guess from a certain perspective one could argue that because people don't have anything concrete or real to blame for the problems around them, they have to blame other things. Be it the faults of a political system, and those running that system, or trying to work everything into some giant plan to keep civil order, and act without public notice. I think this all has something to do with trying to remain sane in an insane world. Atleast the thugs outside, you know where they stand. Back on topic, Bush isn't a total facist atleast, he hasn't started killing the millions of people who speak against him. But hey, we can always hope :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercbird Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Ja, sorry about that one. What my rant yesterday does illustrate to myself (after 8 hours of good sleep) is that your own terror and focus on your small little uncertain world around you, paves the way toward fascism. Because it blinds you to the bigger picture, and how important the implications of a fascist America would be not only to everyone else but what the impact would be on your own country. Most of our TV programs are from America, our magazines, product lines, market and economic research and theories, you name it, all influenced and dictated by what happens in America. What worries me is that fascism seems to beget fascism, our previous government practised and legalized a unique brand of fascism (and horror, normalized it, insidious and still present today, the members of which are going 'see life was much better under us and not these evil bastards'), and those that fought against it never want to be that powerless again and seems to be reaching for more and more power. Power to dictate scrutinize and practise the sort of political opportunism that seems to be trademarks of fascism. I need to remind myself that the thug outside my window can be dealt with, he is not the problem. That if I want the right of choice and respect for myself, I need to give that opportunity to others. That I cannot get tired of doing this. Taking Warkirby's article and comparing it to what I see around here, makes me lift up my eyes out of my own poo. Thank you Vagrant0 and Warkirby for that. PS. My dog is fine, I had a 'save your dog from poisoning' kit that I bought from her vet. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaanicOne Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 As a citizen of Great Britain you should probably be more concerned about fascism in your own country. The degree to which citizens are watched is astounding. Practically every public area in your entire country is under constant surveillance. And MB's right. Fascists are efficient. You can accuse the Americans of many things but efficiency isn't one of them. Wow. firstly, I assume you are talking about our CCTV system. It's used against criminals, not innocent members of the public. You can be arrested for commiting a crime, but not for speaking out against the "fascist" government. And another thing, if Britain were fascist, then the government would be in control. It would control the police and the media for a start. The government controls neither. The media attacks the government every single day. The police have recently launched an investigation against the government, about claims that it had a cash-for-peerages scandal, Tony Blair could even be arrested for it. And also, Fascist governments are not always efficient. The NSDAP ("Nazi" for short) government of germany is the most famous example of a fascist government. Go on the internet, look them up, and then try saying that they were efficient in anything but killing people. Hitler and his government was a chaotic mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxist ßastard Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 The Nazis weren't fascists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaanicOne Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 The Nazis weren't fascists. I hope you're not going to bring up the "socialist" thing, and claim that they're that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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