The Nexus strikes back

[HeyYou]

And if your mod is stolen, how do you prove that you are the original author? If someone goes thru and edits the readme, and whatever else, replacing the real authors name, with thiers, and change nothing else, how is steam to determine who the 'rightful' owner is? The person that uploaded it first? If its a popular mod, generating money for Steam, what motivation will they have to take it down? Can the typical mod author afford to hire a legal team to take on valve? Especially if they are in a different country?

[Mystais]

I am not sure it's a great idea to piss of Bethesda or Valve to the point of spitefulness. They don't just hold the best hand, they own the deck.

 

To me this seems like a pretty solid solution to the issue at hand because I feel the Nexus modding community and the community that uses the Steam Workshop for their mod selection are pretty much two separate entities with not a lot of overlap.

A mod author simultaneously hosting his/her mod (most up to date version) on Steam (pay) and on Nexus (free) would:

1) Possibly receive the extra income he/she desires and deserves. Remember the ones currently paying for those mods on Steam are most likely not part of the Nexus community (at least not a large part).

2) The Nexus community still has free access to the most up to date version of the mod

3) Doesn't force a mod author to pick a side. It becomes irrelevant.

4) The mod author does not become a pariah to the Nexus community and we can all still be one happy family

5) Mod theft is not really a concern as the mod author already has his/her mod on Steam Workshop already

For Example: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=429403248&searchtext=

The mod author even has a link on the mod description pointing to the free version on Nexus yet he has still sold over three hundred copies.

Edited April 25, 2015 by Mystais

[Cowgoesmoo3]

Let's just ignore... and... not use the steam workshop like we never did anyways. This isn't the f*#@ing app store.

[Levantinium]

 

 

2. Stealing from others (as in selling other people's mods) is fine, as long as you share the income with a corporation. That is something no sane person should agreed with.

 

That is patently false. The terms of modding on Steam have ALWAYS been that mods WILL be removed if they are posted without permission of their original maker. They've even removed mods that use limited content from other mods without that modders permission.

 

 

I suppose you choose to completely ignore Valve's official position of "if it's free somewhere, it's fair game in paywall."

[Lachdonin]

 

 

 

I suppose you choose to completely ignore Valve's official position of "if it's free somewhere, it's fair game in paywall."

 

 

Y'all got a source for that, champ? Cause it's a violation of their license agreement, and directly opposite what Gabe has said. Sounds more like that 'STEAM WATCHES YOU SLEEP AND STEALS YOUR INFO' nonsense from when Skyrim first launched.

[MotoSxorpio]

And if your mod is stolen, how do you prove that you are the original author? If someone goes thru and edits the readme, and whatever else, replacing the real authors name, with thiers, and change nothing else, how is steam to determine who the 'rightful' owner is? The person that uploaded it first? If its a popular mod, generating money for Steam, what motivation will they have to take it down? Can the typical mod author afford to hire a legal team to take on valve? Especially if they are in a different country?

Buy your mod! :dance: I mean... :armscrossed: :P

[MotoSxorpio]

 

I am not sure it's a great idea to piss of Bethesda or Valve to the point of spitefulness. They don't just hold the best hand, they own the deck.

 

To me this seems like a pretty solid solution to the issue at hand because I feel the Nexus modding community and the community that uses the Steam Workshop for their mod selection are pretty much two separate entities with not a lot of overlap.

A mod author simultaneously hosting his/her mod (most up to date version) on Steam (pay) and on Nexus (free) would:

1) Possibly receive the extra income he/she desires and deserves. Remember the ones currently paying for those mods on Steam are most likely not part of the Nexus community (at least not a large part).

2) The Nexus community still has free access to the most up to date version of the mod

3) Doesn't force a mod author to pick a side. It becomes irrelevant.

4) The mod author does not become a pariah to the Nexus community and we can all still be one happy family

5) Mod theft is not really a concern as the mod author already has his/her mod on Steam Workshop already

For Example: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=429403248&searchtext=

The mod author even has a link on the mod description pointing to the free version on Nexus yet he has still sold over three hundred copies.

 

I'm sure someone on the other side is pissed about all the money they are spending on the servers right now.

 

 

Edit: That was supposed to be one multiquote....

Edited April 26, 2015 by MotoSxorpio

[Levantinium]

 

 

 

 

I suppose you choose to completely ignore Valve's official position of "if it's free somewhere, it's fair game in paywall."

 

 

Y'all got a source for that, champ? Cause it's a violation of their license agreement, and directly opposite what Gabe has said. Sounds more like that 'STEAM WATCHES YOU SLEEP AND STEALS YOUR INFO' nonsense from when Skyrim first launched.

 

 

 

http://steamed.kotaku.com/skyrim-modder-considers-quitting-after-steam-controvers-1700077114

 

Next time do some research before putting your foot in your mouth by trying to belittle and demean me with stupid comments. Call it nonsense, if it helps you sleep at night. Your sig does not give you an excuse to skip out on finding information. Just because you think you're intelligent doesn't mean you're a valid source of information on any subject matter beyond yourself, "champ."

Edited April 26, 2015 by Levantinium

[MotoSxorpio]

 

 

 

 

 

I suppose you choose to completely ignore Valve's official position of "if it's free somewhere, it's fair game in paywall."

 

 

Y'all got a source for that, champ? Cause it's a violation of their license agreement, and directly opposite what Gabe has said. Sounds more like that 'STEAM WATCHES YOU SLEEP AND STEALS YOUR INFO' nonsense from when Skyrim first launched.

 

 

 

http://steamed.kotaku.com/skyrim-modder-considers-quitting-after-steam-controvers-1700077114

 

Next time do some research before putting your foot in your mouth by trying to belittle and demean me with stupid comments. Call it nonsense, if it helps you sleep at night. Your sig does not give you an excuse to skip out on finding information. Just because you think you're intelligent doesn't mean you're a valid source of information on any subject matter beyond yourself, "champ."

 

Don't take text on a forum so personal.

[unknown78]

It's hard but what if nexus would just fight steam / bethesda with their own weapons but by the rules of the modders.

What if you create your own service for selling mod's and offering the mod's the same time for free on steam workshop ?

 

The worst which could happen is bethesda start's sueing this service, which could give enough attention so you find a solution with bethesda of being allowed to sell mods. At this point steam has a real competition and every sane moder would go to the place where he gets more from the cut.

 

If they start sueing single mod's they start removing mod's from steam workshop too which would hurt both companies much more, so i don't expect them to do it , also the mod's you sell over there could be small mod's , mod's which aren't dangerous even too loose or give up.

 

If you are upfront with this idea towards your friends, i'm even sure most of them will support you.

 

Since both the service and the mod's are basically fine to loose (extra service / special mods) you might be able to force them to show their true face. Also if you stick together you could put the money for probably happening legal fights. If the legal fights don't happen , you just give the money to the mod authors.

 

Again this is just a idea.